Restored Honus Wagner at SCP Auctions

[hcv123]

Originally Posted by chriskim

I think they meant the back is 9/10 in the eye appeal.... which I agree.

How come this Ruth can zoom in much closer than the Wagner? Are they trying to hide the true current condition of the Wagner?

WTF - that card looks like it had a few too many days out in the sun - how is that a 7!?

[ullmandds]

ugliest wagner i've ever seen. if that's a 2 million card I'll eat a t206!

[ejharrington]

The card looks 1000 times better now than before. If I had the money I'd go for it.

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Hey, I had to draw that guy from memory!

[mrreality68]

Perhaps others are reading our forum (or not)

But after the first day the bidding is only at $389k.

I thought it would have been a bit higher after one day with more bidders getting in their bids early.

[luciobar1980]

I personally wouldn't want any part of that card, even if I did have the money.

[mrreality68]

A few hours and a few bids later and the auction price on the Wagner jumped fast.

$835k before BP and $1 million with buyers premium.

I guess bidders are looking at as a restoration that adds value versus altered and potentially devalued.

Either that or just to be to able to get the “Holy Grail” of baseball Cards

Looks like their are interested bidders and things will get interesting

[todeen]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

ugliest wagner i've ever seen. if that's a 2 million card I'll eat a t206!

Get ready. Today's buyers aren't all Net54 members.

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[Leon]

Originally Posted by todeen

Get ready. Today's buyers aren't all Net54 members.

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No they aren't. And it seems a lot of them don't know what the F they are doing! (according to the bids I see) They should become a member and get enlightened.

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[rats60]

Originally Posted by Leon

No they aren't. And it seems a lot of them don't know what the F they are doing! (according to the bids I see) They should become a member and get enlightened.

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The buyer of Heritage's Joe Jackson autographed photo did pretty well with his investment despite the fact that almost everyone thinks the autograph is a forgery. The hobby has trended towards what the flip says is more important that what is inside. Buyers who are investors not collectors are only looking at the financials. They don't care about Net54 or what the hobby thinks of their purchases.

[ValKehl]

+1 to what Corey said so very well.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by rats60

The buyer of Heritage's Joe Jackson autographed photo did pretty well with his investment despite the fact that almost everyone thinks the autograph is a forgery. The hobby has trended towards what the flip says is more important that what is inside. Buyers who are investors not collectors are only looking at the financials. They don't care about Net54 or what the hobby thinks of their purchases.

Maybe PWCC "conservation " is taking a foothold

[2dueces]

I like the restored version.

[glynparson]

Originally Posted by Leon

No they aren't. And it seems a lot of them don't know what the F they are doing! (according to the bids I see) They should become a member and get enlightened.

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Maybe if they read the archived threads or have a time machine. Because currently it only seems to be a bunch of whiners complaining about graded cards or other things they act like experts on but now less than some of these “novices”

[Schlesinj]

I am assuming the buyers are looking at this as a piece of art then a baseball card collector. A display piece and they would rather look pretty.

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by Schlesinj

I am assuming the buyers are looking at this as a piece of art then a baseball card collector. A display piece and they would rather look pretty.

I agree the potential buyers for this piece are buying it more the the status and prestige of owner the "Holy Grail of Baseball Cards"

And they will probably just be displaying it or showing it in that fashion and/or as a Piece of Art or Both

[rats60]

You guys need to consider all sides, not just the buyer looking to get steals. If you owned a card that just sold for 2.5 million dollars, you wouldn't sell yours for 1 million. You would want a reserve to protect your investment.

From the AH side, they aren't going to want a bunch of cards with high reserves that don't sell. They make their money on BP. They need cards to sell. They are only going to accept reserves for high profile cards and they are going to want most to be reasonable. A Wagner is going to get eyes on their other cards, so why wouldn't they do what it takes to get a copy of the Hobby's best card in their auction?

[brob28]

Originally Posted by hcv123

WTF - that card looks like it had a few too many days out in the sun - how is that a 7!?

Agreed, no way that is a 7 in my mind.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by brob28

Agreed, no way that is a 7 in my mind.

That is one of the worst looking Goudey Ruth 144s I have seen. And after juice it's already over 30k? Maybe it's a registry thing because I wouldn't pay 5k for it unless it was to flip. I couldn't own it and look at it everyday. My last one wasn't quite up to snuff so I upgraded and it looked tons better than this 7, it was a 4. That is one ugly card to me. From their write up-

" GEM MINT reverse and pin point sharp corners give this example a 9/10 in the eye appeal department in our view."

Whomever "our" is certainly isn't a collector. Because of the sharp corners and great looking back I would give it a 2, at best.


As for the Wagner. Ugh..... what the heck? I agree they should return the make up they put on him. I honestly think I liked it better unrestored. It looks fake now.,
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[SteveS]

I am convinced that other than true, diehard collectors, people are buying the holder and not the card. I absolutely believe that if PSA were ever to do an April Fool's joke and issue an empty holder with a flip that says, "T206 Honus Wagner Invisible Gem-Mt 10," there would be a bidding frenzy on it.

[carlsonjok]

Originally Posted by SteveS

I am convinced that other than true, diehard collectors, people are buying the holder and not the card. I absolutely believe that if PSA were ever to do an April Fool's joke and issue an empty holder with a flip that says, "T206 Honus Wagner Invisible Gem-Mt 10," there would be a bidding frenzy on it.

Congratulations! You have just described an NFT.

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by carlsonjok

Congratulations! You have just described an NFT.

[chadeast]

Originally Posted by Leon

That is one of the worst looking Goudey Ruth 144s I have seen. And after juice it's already over 30k? Maybe it's a registry thing because I wouldn't pay 5k for it unless it was to flip. I couldn't own it and look at it everyday. My last one wasn't quite up to snuff so I upgraded and it looked tons better than this 7, it was a 4. That is one ugly card to me. From their write up-

" GEM MINT reverse and pin point sharp corners give this example a 9/10 in the eye appeal department in our view."

Whomever "our" is certainly isn't a collector. Because of the sharp corners and great looking back I would give it a 2, at best.


As for the Wagner. Ugh..... what the heck? I agree they should return the make up they put on him. I honestly think I liked it better unrestored. It looks fake now.,
.

Totally agree Leon. Fading is just not a priority for the TPG's in my experience. Having recently put together my '33 Goudey set, and having vivid colors near or at the top of my personal list of what's important to me on that set, I found that grades were mostly independent of fading/color saturation/whatever you care to call it. It bothers me much more than rounded corners, and presented a significant challenge to me as I built my set.

Good excuse for me to show off my #144 SGC 2 once again. I challenge the 7, stamp and all!

[brob28]

Originally Posted by chadeast

Totally agree Leon. Fading is just not a priority for the TPG's in my experience. Having recently put together my '33 Goudey set, and having vivid colors near or at the top of my personal list of what's important to me on that set, I found that grades were mostly independent of fading/color saturation/whatever you care to call it. It bothers me much more than rounded corners, and presented a significant challenge to me as I built my set.

Good excuse for me to show off my #144 SGC 2 once again. I challenge the 7, stamp and all!

I can't agree more Chad, I'd take your 2 over that "7" anyday, BTW, nice card!

[JustinD]

As long as it's clearly labeled as restored, I don't have a problem in the world with it. However, I admit I collect "Authentic" cards with no qualms.

Actually interested in the final hammer on this as it will be telling on the overall temperature of collectors on the owners choice to have it worked on.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by hcv123

WTF - that card looks like it had a few too many days out in the sun - how is that a 7!?

because it's been soaked in bleach, peroxide and trimmed. Color looks like s***. A nice Authentic (Restored), IMHO