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Old 12-08-2021, 07:58 PM
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Pretty unusual disparity though, wouldn't you say? I don't think I've ever seen a player who was so Jekyll and Hyde on the two sets of metrics.
Resuschel seems like the kind of guy fit for such a gap. You need someone who was never that big of a producer, but with a lengthy career and a long time of being pretty good.

Sal Bando is another guy like this. 61 WAR, 53 JAWS. Pretty darn bad for such a guy in the 4 hall statistics. Robin Ventura too. The aforementioned Grich as well. Personally, I think the traditional stats paint a more accurate picture of them, once adjusted for context. All fine players, but not what Jaws suggests.
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Old 12-08-2021, 08:06 PM
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Guess who.

Hall of Fame Statistics
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Batting - 4 (532), Average HOFer ≈ 27
Gray Ink
Batting - 38 (821), Average HOFer ≈ 144
Hall of Fame Monitor
Batting - 7 (1622), Likely HOFer ≈ 100
Hall of Fame Standards
Batting - 30 (342), Average HOFer ≈ 50
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Catcher (13th):
46.8 career WAR | 35.0 7yr-peak WAR | 40.9 JAWS | 4.9 WAR/162
Average HOF C (out of 16):
53.8 career WAR | 34.8 7yr-peak WAR | 44.3 JAWS | 4.7 WAR/162
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Guess who.

Hall of Fame Statistics
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Batting - 4 (532), Average HOFer ≈ 27
Gray Ink
Batting - 38 (821), Average HOFer ≈ 144
Hall of Fame Monitor
Batting - 7 (1622), Likely HOFer ≈ 100
Hall of Fame Standards
Batting - 30 (342), Average HOFer ≈ 50
JAWS
Catcher (13th):
46.8 career WAR | 35.0 7yr-peak WAR | 40.9 JAWS | 4.9 WAR/162
Average HOF C (out of 16):
53.8 career WAR | 34.8 7yr-peak WAR | 44.3 JAWS | 4.7 WAR/162
A catcher WAR loves and traditional stats don’t and scored bad on the Hall stats - Gene Tenace? Is he really that high in the catcher list foe JAWS? Great example
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A catcher WAR loves and traditional stats don’t and scored bad on the Hall stats - Gene Tenace? Is he really that high in the catcher list foe JAWS? Great example
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Old 12-08-2021, 08:31 PM
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Grich LOLOL.

Hall of Fame Statistics
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Batting - 8 (356), Average HOFer ≈ 27
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Batting - 40 (785), Average HOFer ≈ 144
Hall of Fame Monitor
Batting - 43 (506), Likely HOFer ≈ 100
Hall of Fame Standards
Batting - 32 (286), Average HOFer ≈ 50
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Second Base (8th):
71.0 career WAR | 46.4 7yr-peak WAR | 58.7 JAWS | 5.7 WAR/162
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Grich LOLOL.

Hall of Fame Statistics
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Batting - 8 (356), Average HOFer ≈ 27
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Batting - 40 (785), Average HOFer ≈ 144
Hall of Fame Monitor
Batting - 43 (506), Likely HOFer ≈ 100
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Batting - 32 (286), Average HOFer ≈ 50
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Second Base (8th):
71.0 career WAR | 46.4 7yr-peak WAR | 58.7 JAWS | 5.7 WAR/162
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Grich is a sabrmetric favorite now, but I just don’t see it. #8 2B, just don’t see it. He was a fine player, but that’s it.
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Grich is a sabrmetric favorite now, but I just don’t see it. #8 2B, just don’t see it. He was a fine player, but that’s it.
He ranks ahead of Jackie, Frisch, Alomar, Sandberg, and Biggio, among others. OK.
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Grich is a sabrmetric favorite now, but I just don’t see it. #8 2B, just don’t see it. He was a fine player, but that’s it.
Grich scores so high for two reasons: 1) he walked a lot, which WAR vastly overrates; 2) he played in era with not many good 2B

At the end of the day, .266 with 15 homers a year isn't very impressive whatever WAR might say.
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