Hey, pennant guys

Domer05 · #1 02-26-2022, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by bocca001

Just noticed that the 49ers miner on the Keezer mini pennant is very similar to this transfer decal, suggesting that Keezer made it too?

What all/else did Keezer make?

In addition to full and mini size felt pennants, Keezer also manufactured felt emblems, available for iron-on transfers to caps or shirts. By the 1960s, they were involved in sportswear, mostly shirts and sweatshirts.

See: https://pennantfever.weebly.com/blog.../keezer-mfg-co

UKCardGuy · #2 02-26-2022, 05:37 PM

Loving the Keezer decal.

On the theme of smaller pennants here's a few 3/4 size pennants that arrived this week.

The DiMaggio is missing the tip and has a couple of pin holes, but otherwise is pretty sharp.
The Banks has a little bit of foxing on the photo. I'm not sure if the foxing can be cleaned.
I think the 1930s Cubs in pretty rare.

perezfan · #3 02-27-2022, 02:44 PM

Nice pickups Gary!

Domer05 · #4 02-28-2022, 10:17 PM

I think I found a picture of Marc's college bedroom online....

The Gibson Girls were a nice touch, Marc!

bocca001 · #5 03-01-2022, 07:49 AM

How did you know that I went to Girl's High?

Lots of cool stuff in the pic. I've never seen the Santa Clara pennant on the wall, or the blanket on the bed. Would love to find them. There is also a Santa Clara vs. St. Mary's football program on the back wall, also from 1909.

bocca001 · #6 03-02-2022, 08:44 AM

The top Giants pennant is one of the first ones I purchased when I started collecting pennants. Every time I see one of these come up for auction, I never even really bother to look at it, because I already have it. I noticed the bottom one on ebay a few weeks ago. It has much better graphics (you can actually see facial features), so I bought it.

I wonder if the better graphics have to do with the nicer one using better materials, or if the screens actually get worn over time (like a sculpture mold) and lose detail?

thetahat · #7 03-03-2022, 08:56 AM

Nice. But they seem to be different screens. Look at the top of the bridge.

vintagesportscollector · #8 03-27-2022, 01:02 PM

Is anyone familiar with this maker? It is a label on a large oversized 1915 pennant. I am curious if they were a small local maker or if they produced more broadly or became known under a different name.

Thanks
Joe

Domer05 · #9 03-27-2022, 11:50 PM

Joe,

I'm not familiar with any maker d/b/a "College Flag Co." However, I am familiar with two pennant makers located in Columbus, OH doing business in the mid-1910s: Ohio Pennant Co. and H.A. Morgan Co. See below examples.

As concerns the latter company's label ... it sure resembles yours, doesn't it?? Same font. Both say, "COLUMBUS, O" which strikes me as kind of unique.

Maybe Mr. Morgan sold the business by 1915, and the new owner adopted your name? Hard to imagine there being three pennant makers in one college town....

ooo-ribay · #10 03-28-2022, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Domer05

Joe,

I'm not familiar with any maker d/b/a "College Flag Co." However, I am familiar with two pennant makers located in Columbus, OH doing business in the mid-1910s: Ohio Pennant Co. and H.A. Morgan Co. See below examples.

As concerns the latter company's label ... it sure resembles yours, doesn't it?? Same font. Both say, "COLUMBUS, O" which strikes me as kind of unique.

Maybe Mr. Morgan sold the business by 1915, and the new owner adopted your name? Hard to imagine there being three pennant makers in one college town....

I think that theory has merit. I knew Domer wouldn�t let us down!

vintagesportscollector · #11 03-28-2022, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Domer05

Joe,

I'm not familiar with any maker d/b/a "College Flag Co." However, I am familiar with two pennant makers located in Columbus, OH doing business in the mid-1910s: Ohio Pennant Co. and H.A. Morgan Co. See below examples.

As concerns the latter company's label ... it sure resembles yours, doesn't it?? Same font. Both say, "COLUMBUS, O" which strikes me as kind of unique.

Maybe Mr. Morgan sold the business by 1915, and the new owner adopted your name? Hard to imagine there being three pennant makers in one college town....

Thanks Domer! I think that makes sense.

vintagesportscollector · #12 04-03-2022, 09:36 AM

Hey pennant guys -

- has anyone seen this leather emblem on an early Chicago Penn Co pennant before? Although not related to Cornell or any sport, I found it to be quite unique and interesting, with the cigarette and dog.

Wondering if there are any other examples of it. It's on a large 34" pennant, c.1915. Could it have been a custom order for a fraternity or social society? I am wondering how this was ordered back then. Maybe the group sent the artwork and then the emblem was created? or Possibly they just asked for a design to be created for them? Curious on any theories.

Thanks!
Joe

ooo-ribay · #13 04-03-2022, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by vintagesportscollector

Hey pennant guys -

- has anyone seen this leather emblem on an early Chicago Penn Co pennant before? Although not related to Cornell or any sport, I found it to be quite unique and interesting, with the cigarette and dog.

Wondering if there are any other examples of it. It's on a large 34" pennant, c.1915. Could it have been a custom order for a fraternity or social society? I am wondering how this was ordered back then. Maybe the group sent the artwork and then the emblem was created? or Possibly they just asked for a design to be created for them? Curious on any theories.

Thanks!
Joe

Although I have no theories, that�s a cool pennant. What is the �CO� the beginning of?

BTW - that guy�s dog walks like mine (behind the back)

thetahat · #14 04-03-2022, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by vintagesportscollector

Hey pennant guys -

- has anyone seen this leather emblem on an early Chicago Penn Co pennant before? Although not related to Cornell or any sport, I found it to be quite unique and interesting, with the cigarette and dog.

Wondering if there are any other examples of it. It's on a large 34" pennant, c.1915. Could it have been a custom order for a fraternity or social society? I am wondering how this was ordered back then. Maybe the group sent the artwork and then the emblem was created? or Possibly they just asked for a design to be created for them? Curious on any theories.

Thanks!
Joe

If it was a Cornell pennant, I�d guess that it was the then-University President or something.

vintagesportscollector · #15 04-03-2022, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by thetahat

If it was a Cornell pennant, I�d guess that it was the then-University President or something.

Yes, it's a Cornell pennant. Thanks, that's an interesting theory about depicting the President, but it really bears no resemblance to then President J.G. Schurman who was slightly more distinguished looking

, and as far as I know was not known to walk with a cane or a dog

. But that's a good idea...possibly it resembles another known university 'character' or leader of the time - I'll research further.

Domer05 · #16 04-03-2022, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by vintagesportscollector

Hey pennant guys -

- has anyone seen this leather emblem on an early Chicago Penn Co pennant before? Although not related to Cornell or any sport, I found it to be quite unique and interesting, with the cigarette and dog.

Wondering if there are any other examples of it. It's on a large 34" pennant, c.1915. Could it have been a custom order for a fraternity or social society? I am wondering how this was ordered back then. Maybe the group sent the artwork and then the emblem was created? or Possibly they just asked for a design to be created for them? Curious on any theories.

Thanks!
Joe

Joe, I've never seen this artwork elsewhere on a pennant.

Around the turn of the century wholesale manufacturers would distribute a catalogue, and inside there'd be dozens of different pennant styles and corresponding style numbers. You just told them what school name you wanted the product to read; and, you picked from 3-4 fonts. By the mid-1910s, most makers had a library of sorts containing generic artwork the customer could select from, e.g., football running back, baseball pitcher, lacrosse player. In some cases, these catalogues even included felt color samples the customer could pick from.

By the 1950s, colleges adopted mascots, and pennant makers began offering their customers an even greater library of generic artwork featuring bears, tigers, you name it.

Many makers boasted about their "art departments," and even accepted crude schematics of what you wanted their artist to make. It's possible your artwork was the product of such a request. But, the bull dog kind of looks mascot-like, so I'm wondering if this wasn't just some off the shelf artwork from Chipenco's library someone at Cornell's bookstore thought looked cute?

Note that this artwork was not screen printed, like many of Chipenco's competitors of the day had begun doing. I suspect Chipenco had not yet developed a patent or license to use this new production method by the mid-1910s, when this was made. They weren't alone. To get around this problem, Chipenco had to use burnt leather appliques or else utilize the relief/letterpress method (rubber stamp on white felt) to make detailed university seals or illustrations.

By the way, Joe's website (www.iyellcornell.com) is worth visiting if you haven't yet done so. There's even a section dedicated to (Cornell) pennants!

thetahat · #17 04-04-2022, 05:33 AM

The “burnt leather” logos are super cool, like this one (not mine) which I consider the “holy grail”.

vintagesportscollector · #18 04-04-2022, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Domer05

Joe, I've never seen this artwork elsewhere on a pennant....

Many makers boasted about their "art departments," and even accepted crude schematics of what you wanted their artist to make. It's possible your artwork was the product of such a request. But, the bull dog kind of looks mascot-like, so I'm wondering if this wasn't just some off the shelf artwork from Chipenco's library someone at Cornell's bookstore thought looked cute?....

Thanks Domer. Extremely helpful information and food for thought. Whether this was off the shelf artwork, or a custom art department creation, is the fun mystery. I have a lot of catalogues and store interior images and photographs of the various local bookstores and shops and retailers, showing what they offered at the time. I have also collected a lot of dorm room photos from the period. I haven't found any examples like this.

I see your point about the bull-dog kind of looking mascot like, and had a similar thought - however, what seems to stand out more is the old hipster looking dude with the blunt.

If it was off the shelf, it seems pretty obscure and seldom requested. Looking through many class books from the time, one can see that Clubs, Societies and various Smoker and social events were a prominent part of campus life. Lots of great student images of smoking and dogs, and various 'stunts'. I am also wondering if this was a one time order for a Society.

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