T206 group of 350-only Series NO-PRINTS....CB, EPDG, OM, PB

tedzan · #1 03-25-2022, 01:16 PM

Jim

I like your style of thinking regarding the T206 cards. It goes back to when I first posted my T206 REFERENCE thread 5 years ago (or even before then).

Jefferson Burdick and Bill Heitman many years ago clearly defined the structure of the T206 set by establishing easy to understand terminology regarding
the various series (150-only....150/350....350-only....350/460....460-only....So. Lgr.).

The cryptic term "Print Group #" in T206 Resource somewhat troubles me, because it is not a clearly definable term that instantly clues you in as to which
series a T206 is in. In some cases it blurs them over.

Two guys here are stating that Elberfeld (portrait-Washington) is a "150/350" card. So where is a PIEDMONT 150 or SWEET CAPORAL 150 in PSA's pop
report of this card ? ? Perhaps, they are invisible

And, these two guys say the same for G. Brown (Washington) and Dahlen (Brooklyn). But....PSA's pop report says NO ! and NO !

150/350 ---------------------- 350-only ---------------------- 150/350 -------------------- 350-only

150-only -------------------- 350-only

Furthermore, here are examples of two more SAME image T206's with different team captions and in different Series.

350-only ---------------------------- 350/460 ------------------------ 350-only --------------------- 350/460

TED Z

T206 Reference
.

Luke · #2 03-25-2022, 02:07 PM

I think we are getting too hung up on looking at the backs of the cards. Elberfeld, Dahlen and Browne are all in the 150-350 Series or Print Group 1 because they were all in the first group. Dahlen Boston was just replaced with Dahlen Brooklyn on the sheets as the 150-350 Series played out.

The term "350 Only Series", or "Print Group 2" means something very specific. It refers to this group of poses:

https://t206resource.com/Print%20Gro...Checklist.html

That's all it means.

-Cobb red background was printed with a Piedmont 350 back, but it's a not a part of Print Group 2. It's in Print Group 5.

-Dahlen Brooklyn was printed with a Piedmont 350 back but it's not a part of Print Group 2. It's a Part of Print Group 1.

-Rhoades Arm Extended was printed with a Piedmont 350 back but it is not a part of Print Group 2. It's in Print Group 3.

The last bunch of posts are people looking at the same data and making up their own terms to describe what we're talking about. We don't need to make up new ways to describe this stuff. The Print Group framework is already established and available for anyone to refer to. Its simple and elegant and perfectly explains the timelines of the various series. Understanding the Print Groups is the key to a deep understanding of the patterns within the set.

Here are the checklists:

https://t206resource.com/Checklist%20Main.html

HobokenJon · #3 03-25-2022, 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luke

I think we are getting too hung up on looking at the backs of the cards. Elberfeld, Dahlen and Browne are all in the 150-350 Series or Print Group 1 because they were all in the first group. Dahlen Boston was just replaced with Dahlen Brooklyn on the sheets as the 150-350 Series played out.

The term "350 Only Series", or "Print Group 2" means something very specific. It refers to this group of poses:

https://t206resource.com/Print%20Gro...Checklist.html

That's all it means.

-Cobb red background was printed with a Piedmont 350 back, but it's a not a part of Print Group 2. It's in Print Group 5.

-Dahlen Brooklyn was printed with a Piedmont 350 back but it's not a part of Print Group 2. It's a Part of Print Group 1.

-Rhoades Arm Extended was printed with a Piedmont 350 back but it is not a part of Print Group 2. It's in Print Group 3.

The last bunch of posts are people looking at the same data and making up their own terms to describe what we're talking about. We don't need to make up new ways to describe this stuff. The Print Group framework is already established and available for anyone to refer to. Its simple and elegant and perfectly explains the timelines of the various series. Understanding the Print Groups is the key to a deep understanding of the patterns within the set.

Here are the checklists:

https://t206resource.com/Checklist%20Main.html

Hear! Hear!

Now if we could just get T206 Resource to correct all the false positives in its Sovereign and EPDG checklists.

See related article here:
http://www.thatt206life.com/2017/03/...gn-350-a-hoax/

For more on the six poses that were pulled early from the 350-460 series (a.k.a. Print Group 3), see here, also by Luke: http://www.thatt206life.com/2018/07/...50-460-series/

Pat R · #4 03-25-2022, 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HobokenJon

Hear! Hear!

Now if we could just get T206 Resource to correct all the false positives in its Sovereign and EPDG checklists.

See related article here:
http://www.thatt206life.com/2017/03/...gn-350-a-hoax/

For more on the six poses that were pulled early from the 350-460 series (a.k.a. Print Group 3), see here, also by Luke: http://www.thatt206life.com/2018/07/...50-460-series/

The Sovereign list was corrected over a year ago Jon.

https://www.t206resource.com/Soverei...Checklist.html

HobokenJon · #5 03-25-2022, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pat R

The Sovereign list was corrected over a year ago Jon.

https://www.t206resource.com/Soverei...Checklist.html

Excellent! That's great news! I had no idea, and I gladly stand corrected. I started agitating about five years ago. I guess I hadn't checked the Sovereign 350 list on T206 Resource in the last year or so.

Now if only we could get T206 Resource to correct the false positives on the EPDG list (Pastorius, Hunky Shaw and Willett).
https://www.t206resource.com/EPDG%20Checklist.html

Pat R · #6 03-25-2022, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HobokenJon

Excellent! That's great news! I had no idea, and I gladly stand corrected. I started agitating about five years ago. I guess I hadn't checked the Sovereign 350 list on T206 Resource in the last year or so.

Now if only we could get T206 Resource to correct the false positives on the EPDG list (Pastorius, Hunky Shaw and Willett).
https://www.t206resource.com/EPDG%20Checklist.html

It usually takes awhile but it has been requested. The only confirmation I could find on any of them was the Willett and that was a mistake in a 2006 EPDG thread on the old board.

Pat R · #7 03-29-2022, 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tedzan

Jim

I like your style of thinking regarding the T206 cards. It goes back to when I first posted my T206 REFERENCE thread 5 years ago (or even before then).

Jefferson Burdick and Bill Heitman many years ago clearly defined the structure of the T206 set by establishing easy to understand terminology regarding
the various series (150-only....150/350....350-only....350/460....460-only....So. Lgr.).

The cryptic term "Print Group #" in T206 Resource somewhat troubles me, because it is not a clearly definable term that instantly clues you in as to which
series a T206 is in. In some cases it blurs them over.

Two guys here are stating that Elberfeld (portrait-Washington) is a "150/350" card. So where is a PIEDMONT 150 or SWEET CAPORAL 150 in PSA's pop
report of this card ? ? Perhaps, they are invisible

And, these two guys say the same for G. Brown (Washington) and Dahlen (Brooklyn). But....PSA's pop report says NO ! and NO !

150/350 ---------------------- 350-only ---------------------- 150/350 -------------------- 350-only

150-only -------------------- 350-only

Furthermore, here are examples of two more SAME image T206's with different team captions and in different Series.

350-only ---------------------------- 350/460 ------------------------ 350-only --------------------- 350/460

TED Z

T206 Reference
.

It doesn't "blur them over" it clearly shows that Dahlen Brooklyn and Elberfeld Washington were printed with the 150/350 subjects, That's why Elberfeld Washington is found with a Blue Old Mill and Dahlen Brooklyn is found with a factory sheet number and your claim that factory sheet numbers are found in all 5 series is false. they are only found on print group 1 subjects.

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