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Old 04-29-2022, 06:39 PM
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I doubt there's a clean auction house in the bunch. I haven't seen most of them trimming thousands of cards though. PWCC has been documented altering more cards than probably anyone in hobby history. Auction houses do shady things if they think they can get away with it, like pretty much every business. PWCC is almost openly criminal and has committed stunning amounts of open fraud, each new one seeming to do little as people continue to buy and sell with them.

A light joke about PWCC does not mean that everyone or anyone else is clean. I'd love to see where I have picked and chosen.
I agree this is not an exemplary hobby and many players have had issues, but from my decades of perspective, and personal dealings over the years since he was literally just a kid selling cards for Gary, Brent is in a class by himself.
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I agree this is not a very clean hobby, but from my decades of perspective, and personal dealings over the years since he was literally just a kid selling cards for Gary, Brent is in a class by himself.
I think I messed up on eBay and bought a single card from PWCC. I don't have personal dealings with Brent, but the evidence that PWCC was running a fraud ring for years is absolutely overwhelming.

Observing this seems to really trigger some people.
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Old 04-29-2022, 06:45 PM
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I think I messed up on eBay and bought a single card from PWCC. I don't have personal dealings with Brent, but the evidence that PWCC was running a fraud ring for years is absolutely overwhelming.

Observing this seems to really trigger some people.
There are innumerable posts about this, over the years, probably starting more than a decade before the FBI investigation and Brent's "cooperation." .It's a complex subject with many aspects.
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There are innumerable posts about this, over the years, probably starting more than a decade before the FBI investigation and Brent's "cooperation." .
Blowout made the best case, I think. Some of those guys dedicated insane hours to proving it beyond any doubt, over and over and over again.

But anyways, everything is fine and it's the people complaining about criminal fraud that are the problem.
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Old 04-29-2022, 06:50 PM
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Blowout made the best case, I think. Some of those guys dedicated insane hours to proving it beyond any doubt, over and over and over again.

But anyways, everything is fine and it's the people complaining about criminal fraud that are the problem.
Agreed on BODA. I got to know them a bit (though never their names LOL) and they really did this as a labor of love. Even if things don't work out on the criminal end, IMO they made an incredible contribution to the hobby, if people take advantage of the education they provided.
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Old 04-29-2022, 07:01 PM
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Agreed on BODA. I got to know them a bit (though never their names LOL) and they really did this as a labor of love. Even if things don't work out on the criminal end, IMO they made an incredible contribution to the hobby, if people take advantage of the education they provided.
They should have gotten more credit and less scorn from the people who stand to lose money from PWCC's downfall.
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Old 04-29-2022, 06:51 PM
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Blowout made the best case, I think. Some of those guys dedicated insane hours to proving it beyond any doubt, over and over and over again.

But anyways, everything is fine and it's the people complaining about criminal fraud that are the problem.
From day one, there has been a huge amount of cognitive dissonance over pervasive hobby fraud.
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From day one, there has been a huge amount of cognitive dissonance over pervasive hobby fraud.
Agree. That’s my point. Seems like there is a blind eye to a lot of it. Newbie but there’s a lot out there to read.
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Agree. That’s my point. Seems like there is a blind eye to a lot of it. Newbie but there’s a lot out there to read.
If anything IMO, the blind eye has been towards Brent/PWCC. For years, people defended them.
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Old 04-29-2022, 07:03 PM
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Agree. That’s my point. Seems like there is a blind eye to a lot of it. Newbie but there’s a lot out there to read.
Do you have any evidence that PWCC has been falsely accused of their thousands of incidents of fraud?

Do you have any evidence a major seller, auction house, or hobby figure is engaged in fraud as widespread or serious as PWCC?

I'm not sure what your point is with your third objection of this thread to people pointing out PWCC's felonious history. You seem to keep implying that other people are guilty of the same or worse. Can you name them?
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