How to put cash value on cards

Casey2296 · #1 06-25-2022, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Vintage Vern

Would anyone here pay more than $200 for a PSA 4 Vern Clemons E120? I think he wants 275 to 300. He has it listed much higher than others he has listed with same grade for some reason. Has it set at 400.

If it was a somewhat rare card I wanted for my collection I would and have overpaid. I wouldn't let 100-150 bucks over dissuade me. If you don't get it and can't find one for the next 2-3 years you'll think about it everyday on how close you came to getting one.

RCMcKenzie · #2 06-25-2022, 02:13 PM

I would say it would sell for about $100, maybe less, at auction. Clemons is a common e120. PSA 4 is not high grade for this set. You can search "e120 PSA 4" on eBay past sales and at auction sites, throw out the Hooper and Wheat prices, the star cards.

The eBay sellers that list cards at high prices are waiting for a buyer that wants it right now. It's like me going to the airport today, and buying a first class ticket to NYC. It's going to cost a lot more than planning ahead, and waiting.

I see 27 graded Clemons on sgc and psa pops combined. There are probably another 40 to 75 low grade raw ones in the wild.

I would wait, but I have overpaid before.

Vintage Vern · #3 06-25-2022, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

I would say it would sell for about $100, maybe less, at auction. Clemons is a common e120. PSA 4 is not high grade for this set. You can search "e120 PSA 4" on eBay past sales and at auction sites, throw out the Hooper and Wheat prices, the star cards.

The eBay sellers that list cards at high prices are waiting for a buyer that wants it right now. It's like me going to the airport today, and buying a first class ticket to NYC. It's going to cost a lot more than planning ahead, and waiting.

I see 27 graded Clemons on sgc and psa pops combined. There are probably another 40 to 75 low grade raw ones in the wild.

I would wait, but I have overpaid before.

This is how I view it as well. I looked at other commons that have the same pop, and selling price. This is above most others in the same company for price. When people say they over paid is it double the price it should be selling at?

drcy · #4 06-25-2022, 04:57 PM

With a rarely sold card, your sale is in part establishing the price

Vintage Vern · #5 06-25-2022, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by drcy

With a rarely sold card, your sale is in part establishing the price

He just sold one 6 months ago for $175.00 now he's asking $400 for the same graded card. I offered him $200. He already told me he wouldn't even accept $250. I'm pretty sure he wants $300.

RCMcKenzie · #6 06-25-2022, 05:23 PM

All of the vintage sellers read this board. He probably already knows that you are his best customer for this card.
Like the Rhoades I'm looking for, there's no hobby in general demand for the e120 you want. DrCy is right, that a higher sale of a 33 Goudey Gehrig raises all boats, but for obscure commons, the high prices are thrown out for future sales.

If you think you might resell in 6 months, don't buy it unless it's okay to take the loss.

Vintage Vern · #7 06-25-2022, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

All of the vintage sellers read this board. He probably already knows that you are his best customer for this card.
Like the Rhoades I'm looking for, there's no hobby in general demand for the e120 you want. DrCy is right, that a higher sale of a 33 Goudey Gehrig raises all boats, but for obscure commons, the high prices are thrown out for future sales.

If you think you might resell in 6 months, don't buy it unless it's okay to take the loss.

I think he is banking on someone that is trying to build a registry set. He claimed the E120 are hot, and in high demand. He may be 100% correct I just don't like being the guy that paid double for something I could have had less than a year ago. Anyone think the E120 is really that hot right now?

RCMcKenzie · #8 06-25-2022, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Vintage Vern

This is how I view it as well. I looked at other commons that have the same pop, and selling price. This is above most others in the same company for price. When people say they over paid is it double the price it should be selling at?

If you are in the hobby for the long haul, I would say wait for a better deal. If you really want the card, and plan to keep it, it's not an insane price, it's a high price.

I've been looking for a T213-1 Rhoades for 10 years and hope yepbg is the dealer that finds one, so that I have time to see it, and buy it, before someone else scoops it up.

bnorth · #9 06-25-2022, 03:54 PM

I own a lot of extremely rare cards/items. For me they are usually priced way cheaper than I would pay or way more than I want to. If I really want it I overpay and justify it to myself by remembering all the things I got super cheap.

oldjudge · #10 06-25-2022, 04:04 PM

I believe that unless they know otherwise, PSA values all non-star cards the same. Their job isn�t to know rarity, their job is to grade cards. If the card is truely rare then, as many others have said, pay what the card is worth to you and forget the guide. I have been collecting for the last 30+ years and the next time I refer to a PSA price guide will also be the first time I have ever referred to a PSA price guide.

clamendo · #11 06-25-2022, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by oldjudge

I believe that unless they know otherwise, PSA values all non-star cards the same. Their job isn�t to know rarity, their job is to grade cards. If the card is truely rare then, as many others have said, pay what the card is worth to you and forget the guide. I have been collecting for the last 30+ years and the next time I refer to a PSA price guide will also be the first time I have ever referred to a PSA price guide.

Ditto

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Vintage Vern · #12 06-25-2022, 04:17 PM

Well basically he's stating the demand has changed since January 2022 when he sold his last PSA 4 Clemons card for $175.00 haven't verified that yet, but even if he did I doubt it gained that much value from 6 months ago. I'm going to dig to see if I can find the cert number. He may be selling the same one he claimed he got $175.00 for. I know he had them because at that time he had them priced high as well. I missed the PSA5 for $149.00 , and offered him $125 he had the 4 listed for $240 then dropes it to $200 and he declined my offer. I'm trying to justify it, but just can't even though I want the card. If it had the highest grade which is a 5 it would help. Being it's not even the top grade it makes it harder to justify. If a 5 just sold for $400 it would be different. He's a good guy, and has lots of nice stuff yepbg is his ebay name.

Rhotchkiss · #13 06-25-2022, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Vintage Vern

yepbg is his ebay name.

Yepbg is notorious on this site. He has been mentioned many times over the years here. He ranks up there with Deans as an eBay seller who completely overvalues his stuff.

I have dealt with Yepbg. About 4 years ago I paid way up for an e105 Wagner throwing that I needed. I think the value in 2022 has finally caught up to what I paid! But he had the card and I needed it, so I bought it. The card came on time and as described. I am almost positive I did another deal with him where I made a strong offer below his ask but above FMV and he accepted. He certainly has some nice and rare stuff and aside from price, I have had nothing but solid experiences. But he certainly prices high and he does not move much.

It all comes down to how badly do you want the card, now. Because another will 100% come up in the next 1-2 years (and Yepbg may compete against you to buy it!)

ullmandds · #14 06-25-2022, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Yepbg is notorious on this site. He has been mentioned many times over the years here. He ranks up there with Deans as an eBay seller who completely overvalues his stuff.

I have dealt with Yepbg. About 4 years ago I paid way up for an e105 Wagner throwing that I needed. I think the value in 2022 has finally caught up to what I paid! But he had the card and I needed it, so I bought it. The card came on time and as described. I am almost positive I did another deal with him where I made a strong offer below his ask but above FMV and he accepted. He certainly has some nice and rare stuff and aside from price, I have had nothing but solid experiences. But he certainly prices high and he does not move much.

It all comes down to how badly do you want the card, now. Because another will 100% come up in the next 1-2 years (and Yepbg may compete against you to buy it!)

this is spot on. if you have to have it...now...you have to pay up. this is what the hobby has become.

I was trying to complete my e97 nichols run...had been working on it for a few decades...I never could pull the trigger on the color phil variation because prices were crazy. Eventually I did...and then I got another a few months later for 1/2 the price.

I recently got my last dots miller to complete my run...and I paid up...because I was ready to be done and who knows when another will turn up.

JLange · #15 06-25-2022, 06:53 PM

If you have already made a reasonable offer and the seller has declined, your next best alternative is to wait it out, taking the rarity into consideration. With time, one of the following tends to occur:

1. You get more and better information over time that helps establish the price. If you come to realize that similiar items or other suitable comps when they finally do come up for sale will go for about the same higher price, you can go back and pay the seller�s number with confidence. If the opposite is true you can feel good about sticking the seller with an unsellable item (at their higher price)

2. The seller may grow tired of waiting to sell at the higher price and either offer to you eventually because you expressed interest or put the item up for auction to see what the market price really is, and you can win it at a lower price possibly

3. You find another copy of said item at a more reasonable price, and buy it!

I have learned to trust my own eyeballs, having looked at so many items up for sale or auction over the years. If I see something I haven�t seen before, I tend to buy it right away. The likelihood that ten more examples are around the corner is low, or else I would have seen it over the years. This is my personal gauge of rarity, largely based on the frequency with which items come up for sale. I recently bought a beat up PC of Bob Feller because the last one I saw available for sale was over 10 yrs ago. Of course I want a better copy but my experience tells me I might need to wait another 10 yrs 😀 to find it. Who wants to do that?

EddieP · #16 06-26-2022, 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by JLange

1. You get more and better information over time that helps establish the price. If you come to realize that similiar items or other suitable comps when they finally do come up for sale will go for about the same higher price, you can go back and pay the seller’s number with confidence. If the opposite is true you can feel good about sticking the seller with an unsellable item (at their higher price)

2. The seller may grow tired of waiting to sell at the higher price and either offer to you eventually because you expressed interest or put the item up for auction to see what the market price really is, and you can win it at a lower price possibly

3. You find another copy of said item at a more reasonable price, and buy it!

I’ve dealt with this seller before and this is what I found with him:

1. Yes
2. No
3. Yes

He does not budge on his asking price. I think he uses the “Best Offer” option to gauge interest in his cards.

Oops, just read Rhotchkiss’ post…I agree with everything he says

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