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08-17-2022, 08:35 PM
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Clemens hands down….and not really all that close with 7 CY awards
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08-19-2022, 01:39 PM
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Roger Clemens, by a hair.
Tom Seaver, Randy Johnson, and Greg Maddux are in the same league, in my opinion. Steve Carlton, Nolan Ryan and Pedro Martinez are in the neighborhood.
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Career WAR is misleading in a way, it's higher if you pitch longer, unless you negative at the end of a career. 7 year peak WAR might be a better stat.
Clemens is out in my book, cheater. Last edited by toppcat; 08-19-2022 at 05:03 PM.
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08-19-2022, 05:14 PM
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Anyhow, someone mentioned cards. Here are some.
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Clemens is the correct answer. by a significant measure. He is the greatest pitcher since integration, which I personally consider the greatest of all time because the real old timers did not play against the full measure of competition.
Cy young, Grover Cleveland Alexander and walter johnson etc were all great, but cannot really be compared with post integration pitchers who faced the best of the world.
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08-19-2022, 09:33 PM
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Clemens is the correct answer. by a significant measure. He is the greatest pitcher since integration, which I personally consider the greatest of all time because the real old timers did not play against the full measure of competition.
Cy young, Grover Cleveland Alexander and walter johnson etc were all great, but cannot really be compared with post integration pitchers who faced the best of the world.
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