Heritage Rosen Mantle - Greatest Card Ever Auctioned?

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by chriskim

Let's watch... I think this Mantle got onto a flipper's hand. It will change hand within 3 yrs.

I'm guessing 1 year or less

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

I'm guessing 1 year or less

+1. This just smells to me like someone (or ones) putting a lot of money in play to make a lot of quick money.

[Hankphenom]

1) Is this the Alex Chilton of Boxtops fame card?
2) How did this card achieve such iconic status over so many other great cards in the hobby? This seemed to happen very quickly, was this a recent development and perhaps the result of a PR campaign? It certainly can't have the rarity of many other iconic cards, and Mantle, great as he was, is not on the level of many other all-time greats, so what made this a 10M card?
3) If this is truly a 10M card as decreed by the market, what other cards are poised to enter that rarefied realm that not even a Wagner has achieved yet. Baltimore Ruth? Goudey Lajoie? What else?

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Hankphenom

1) Is this the Alex Chilton of Boxtops fame card?
2) How did this card achieve such iconic status over so many other great cards in the hobby? This seemed to happen very quickly, was this a recent development and perhaps the result of a PR campaign? It certainly can't have the rarity of many other iconic cards, and Mantle, great as he was, is not on the level of many other all-time greats, so what made this a 10M card?
3) If this is truly a 10M card as decreed by the market, what other cards are poised to enter that rarefied realm that not even a Wagner has achieved yet. Baltimore Ruth? Goudey Lajoie? What else?

Balt ruth…t206 Wagner…thats it!

[MattyC]

Gotta love all the classic online bile. Bile against Mantle. Bile against the 52T Mantle. Bile against the assumed buyer. The card was gorgeous and someone with the bank bought it for a bundle. While some marinate in their toxic bile I'm gonna enjoy a beautiful Sunday, maybe enjoy some cards later.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Gotta love all the classic online bile. Bile against Mantle. Bile against the 52T Mantle. Bile against the assumed buyer. The card was gorgeous and someone with the bank bought it for a bundle. While some marinate in their toxic bile I'm gonna enjoy a beautiful Sunday, maybe enjoy some cards later.

Who has criticized Mickey Mantle? Do you not know the card is not a rookie? Did you not know it was a DP? Do you not understand it does not meet SGC’s published criteria of a 9.5? What statement is “bile”?

Got to love the pumpers.

[GregC]

Originally Posted by G1911

Who has criticized Mickey Mantle? Do you not know the card is not a rookie? Did you not know it was a DP? Do you not understand it does not meet SGC’s published criteria of a 9.5? What statement is “bile”?

Got to love the pumpers.

Who needs to “pump” a 52 mantle? It’s been the most sought after and valuable post war card since I remember buying my first Beckett in 1986 lol. I’d say it’s a relatively known quantity at this point. I’d say Matt knows all those two facts about it not being a rookie and it being a DP as does 99.9% of the hobby participants of this board. Bottom line is this was a great example of a great card that brought out some heavy action.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Heritage did well to call it the finest #311 ever, and to put it on the flip, because even if it isn't, the description takes on a life of its own and the card becomes unique.

As one of my favorite quotes (Wallace Stevens) goes, what we said of it became a part of what it is..

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by G1911

Who has criticized Mickey Mantle? Do you not know the card is not a rookie? Did you not know it was a DP? Do you not understand it does not meet SGC’s published criteria of a 9.5? What statement is “bile”?

Got to love the pumpers.

Yeah his post was self-serving. Apparently his Sunday is/was not going quite as good as he stated. Happens. Hopefully Mon is better for him.

[MattyC]

Originally Posted by G1911

Who has criticized Mickey Mantle? Do you not know the card is not a rookie? Did you not know it was a DP? Do you not understand it does not meet SGC’s published criteria of a 9.5? What statement is “bile”?

Got to love the pumpers.

You don't know me for shit, pal. So don't pretend to know my motivations for what I type. I could not give a rat's ass about the price of my cards. Maybe you "invest," since you typed about that above. If we're going to ascribe motivation behind posts, perhaps you're not pleased with the state of your own cardboard investments relative to cards like the Mantle? Despite all those facts— it being a DP, the 51B being his RC (tragically underappreciated, relative to the 52T, I might add)— the card world has never cared. Not for decades upon decades now. So you can shout those facts at the sky in some desperate schadenfreude Hail Mary that people will wake up one day and dislike it, yet other facts and intangibles about the card will win the day as they always have and always will. Its desirability and popularity endure. Some seem to have an axe to grind against the card, and get triggered when they contemplate its status and popularity— the motivations behind that would probably not be hard to divine.

Not all of us look at our cards as investments and not all enthusiasm is financially motivated. I buy cards because I collect, though I sell on rare occasion when I have doubles or want something new. As to your condescendingly written string of questions about the card, yes: I know as much about his cards as you or anyone, for that matter.

You don't seem to understand the very real concepts of eye appeal or centering in the vintage space and how they in effect create rarity, from your comments about the sheer pop of the card. It is specious at best and disingenuous at worst to cite sheer pop numbers, when we all know an overwhelming percentage of those that exist possess average eye appeal. At best.

I don't need to nor have I ever "pumped" anything. Let alone the standard-bearer of the hobby, alongside the Wagner. Newsflash: people can be huge lovers of the 52T Mantle and the likes of a Wagner, Fred Foto Ruth, '25 Exhibit Lou, T210 Jackson, and '84 Donruss Mattingly. These are not mutually exclusive camps. If I posted extensively, as I have in the past, about my love of any of those cards, it would not be pumping. And as to what owners of this card or that card or the other card behave like... one thing I haven't seen fellow owners of the Mantle do is take time out to take negative pot shots at other great cards.

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Balt ruth…t206 Wagner…thats it!

Thanks. Not being a card guy, it just took me by surprise when this card seemingly all of a sudden became the first to hit this stratospheric level. But with so many experts here not surprised at all, I guess it must have been more or less predictable. Great card, great grade, great iconic player, great hobby history and backstory, great time for the market, and there you have it. Didn't I read there are several 10s out there, what happens when the first one of those pops up in an auction?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Hankphenom

Thanks. Not being a card guy, it just took me by surprise when this card seemingly all of a sudden became the first to hit this stratospheric level. But with so many experts here not surprised at all, I guess it must have been more or less predictable. Great card, great grade, great iconic player, great hobby history and backstory, great time for the market, and there you have it. Didn't I read there are several 10s out there, what happens when the first one of those pops up in an auction?

It would not surprise me if egos played a role in it going this high. For guys who can easily afford this even at that stratospheric level, it may have been worth the money just to win.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Do we know yet who bought it? With cards like this the winner is usually out there talking about it, no? Or is that only modern basketball and Pokémon?