1952 Rosen Mantle SGC 9.5 Final Price – Too high, too low, just right?

[MattyC]

Gary, you are right: that 4 has major league tilt. The key words for me are "for that kind of cash," yet I'll admit that is all relative. When I train my eye on the comparative width of the bottom white borders on the 7.5, the card is an instant pass for that very serious sum of money. But again, I'll readily concede that to someone for whom that is chump change, maybe it is not a big deal. I'd still advise to patiently wait out less tilt.

There is also a much greater amount of what I call "cap blur" on the 7.5 as compared the 4, which is worth hanging a lantern on for any sticklers when it comes to aesthetics.

[GaryPassamonte]

I agree. For that kind of cash, the centering should be right on.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by GaryPassamonte

I agree. For that kind of cash, the centering should be right on.

Yet someone paid 12 million dollars for a tilted Mantle that was also off-centered on the back.

[GaryPassamonte]

Originally Posted by rats60

Yet someone paid 12 million dollars for a tilted Mantle that was also off-centered on the back.

All the more so. I can't figure it out.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by rats60

Yet someone paid 12 million dollars for a tilted Mantle that was also off-centered on the back.

Same one with the toning along the top?

Sheesh

[parkplace33]

Interesting addendum.

Heard through the grapevine that originally, this card was sent to psa to be slabbed. Psa came back and said it would be graded a 9. Card was not slabbed and was then sent to Sgc for grading.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by parkplace33

Interesting addendum.

Heard through the grapevine that originally, this card was sent to psa to be slabbed. Psa came back and said it would be graded a 9. Card was not slabbed and was then sent to Sgc for grading.

Could be true. No psa 9.5 grades.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by parkplace33

Interesting addendum.

Heard through the grapevine that originally, this card was sent to psa to be slabbed. Psa came back and said it would be graded a 9. Card was not slabbed and was then sent to Sgc for grading.

Grade shopping. More than one person told me after the auction went live that the card was informally looked at by PSA and it was loosely stated it would likely be an 8. Based on the pics I think 8 is too harsh so not stating I was lied to but the hearsay might not be accurate. I would have gotten a 6 but Heritage has to at least get an 8.5.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

Grade shopping. More than one person told me after the auction went live that the card was informally looked at by PSA and it was loosely stated it would likely be an 8. Based on the pics I think 8 is too harsh so not stating I was lied to but the hearsay might not be accurate. I would have gotten a 6 but Heritage has to at least get an 8.5.

I heard it was pregraded as a 4.5 due to centering, tilting and the coffee stain on top

[rand1com]

Originally Posted by parkplace33

Interesting addendum.

Heard through the grapevine that originally, this card was sent to psa to be slabbed. Psa came back and said it would be graded a 9. Card was not slabbed and was then sent to Sgc for grading.

If the (3) current PSA 10's were cracked out and resubmitted raw, likely no chance any of them get a 10 with current grading standards either. They were all graded many years ago with less stringent standards.

[53toppscollector]

Originally Posted by rand1com

If the (3) current PSA 10's were cracked out and resubmitted raw, likely no chance any of them get a 10 with current grading standards either. They were all graded many years ago with less stringent standards.

This is an important consideration. And I think this also gets at the heart of one of the big issues with TPGs...lack of consistency.

There was lots of chatter in the last year about how PSA has really tightened up their standards for giving out a PSA 10. Which is why "buy the card, not the flip" has always been such a prevalent mantra. The problem is, a large portion of the market, especially in the higher end stuff, is obsessed with the grade, as seen with the grade shopping and crossover attempts.

My suspicion is that if you bought 10 copies of a card in one grade, say, a PSA 9, and you re-submitted all 10 of those in the same order, cracked out of their slabs, you would not get back the same results.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by rand1com

If the (3) current PSA 10's were cracked out and resubmitted raw, likely no chance any of them get a 10 with current grading standards either. They were all graded many years ago with less stringent standards.

I think it depends who is submitting them but over time grading standards have overall gotten tougher. Presently, tougher is an understatement. I think the grading scale is now 1 to 7 on vintage and 6 to 9 on shine.

I am not sure how I feel about how a slight tilt on a card from an issue that is prone to severe tilts should impact the 10 consideration. If the card is "perfect" otherwise can you really put it in the 9 holder?

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by rand1com

If the (3) current PSA 10's were cracked out and resubmitted raw, likely no chance any of them get a 10 with current grading standards either. They were all graded many years ago with less stringent standards.

Sgc will go to 11!

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Same one with the toning along the top?

Sheesh

It was off center, tilted and cut off on the back...with a coffee stain on the top. As I recall, for 12.6 M..AND yes, worth every penny.