Roger Clemens - Where does he rank?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Rad_Hazard

I want to say I heard something about Bagwell, maybe?

Piazza and I-Rod? That's the first I'm hearing of these accusations and I don't buy them for a minute.

I listened to Piazza's book and he is open about how much privilege he grew up with resulting in him having a batting cage at his house for god sake. He was destined to be a great hitter. He would max out the most difficult grip trainers and just do that all day, his wrists and grip were insane.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/17/s...-steroids.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/10/s...-steroids.html

[Rad_Hazard]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/17/s...-steroids.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/10/s...-steroids.html

Interesting, I don't remember ever hearing that about either person.

So for Pudge all we have are Canseco accusations, and for Piazza we just have straight up suspicion with no evidence nor a flimsy story?

I truly don't think Piazza ever juiced. He was always big and worked very hard.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Rad_Hazard

Interesting, I don't remember ever hearing that about either person.

So for Pudge all we have are Canseco accusations, and for Piazza we just have straight up suspicion with no evidence nor a flimsy story?

I truly don't think Piazza ever juiced. He was always big and worked very hard.

Who knows, agree it has not been proven. But there was lots of talk about both.

[Rad_Hazard]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Who knows, agree it has not been proven. But there was lots of talk about both.

True, I guess I never realized so thanks for pointing it out.

With Ortiz he was listed in a report and was straight up busted so it's a bit odd how he gets preferential treatment.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Rad_Hazard

True, I guess I never realized so thanks for pointing it out.

With Ortiz he was listed in a report and was straight up busted so it's a bit odd how he gets preferential treatment.

He was beloved. That's why.

[gonefishin]

I must have got Baseball's Hall of Fame mixed up with the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame. There it doesn't matter even if you were/are so drugged up that you died/die of an overdose; Hendrix, Joplin, Morrison, heck even Tom Petty. I loved their music! It doesn't matter to me that they are elected to the RnR Hall of Fame. I guess one could correlate the 2 HoF's; i.e., Play in stadium's, charge admittance to see them play, appeal to young people, performances broadcast on TV and radio, etc. etc. etc.

There is one MAJOR difference: MLB bans the use of illegal drugs! What is it people don't understand about that. Why don't we ask Tatis Jr. how he's doing right now?

[G1911]

Originally Posted by gonefishin

MLB bans the use of illegal drugs! What is it people don't understand about that.

I don't think anyone debates this or thinks otherwise.