Pujols, Mr. September

G1911 · #1 10-09-2022, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I thought Diogenes was looking for an honest man, not a rational one lol.

In the source Greek, from long after Diogenes time, it�s simply �man�, but with both subtexts of rationality and honesty (which at that time were oft tied together with the different implications of a different language; one cannot be honest if one is not rational). It�s reprinted in English both ways, as honest man and reasonable man depending on the book.

Peter_Spaeth · #2 10-09-2022, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by G1911

In the source Greek, from long after Diogenes time, it�s simply �man�, but with both subtexts of rationality and honesty (which at that time were oft tied together with the different implications of a different language; one cannot be honest if one is not rational). It�s reprinted in English both ways, as honest man and reasonable man depending on the book.

Interesting, because one sees reference to him mostly in the context of how corrupt and dishonest people are.

G1911 · #3 10-09-2022, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Interesting, because one sees reference to him mostly in the context of how corrupt and dishonest people are.

One of the joys of the classics is that they are often different in context from pop culture's appropriations.

The dual subtext, of reason and honesty, is the rhetorical point of the particular example; as the claims are neither rational nor honest and include several blatant lies accusing both you and myself of saying things that were never said and are not in the transcript.

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