Hall of Fame Ballot Announced

[Fred]

Originally Posted by BobC

I wonder if this is why McGwire was not part of this current contemporary group. When this committee next meets, maybe they can then easily ignore Bonds, Clemens, and Palmiero and leave them off the next ballot for consideration since they did so poorly this time, and instead put someone like McGwire up for consideration in their place. That way even more time has passed, and maybe there aren't as many selection committee members in the next group that are so vehemently against any PED use whatsoever. Wouldn't put it past the powers that be to do something like that to possibly give McGwire a better chance.

Had they included McGwire in this current contemporary group being considered, alongside Bonds, Clemens, and Palmiero, can definitely see that killing his chances as some committee members would not likely ever vote for McGwire, while not voting for any of the others, without them being somewhat perceived as hypocrites.

The one thing I give McGwire credit for is not lying about it. He came clean and didn't implicate anybody else. It was good to see a player owning it and not trying to convince everyone (especially the US congress) otherwise.

I hope McGwire makes it before those other PED players that tried to make us all believe it was their natural ability. Funny how that ability only lasted for all of them during the same time period.

Nothing wrong with being a nice guy. Look at Mariano Rivera, obviously the ultimate nice guy. The first and only 100% first ballot vote getter. I still have a difficult time trying to figure out how some players were not 100% vote recipients.

Someone mentioned Papi and PEDs. Well, what's that tell you? Papi wasn't an ass to the press.

Look at Ted Williams, he wasn't a "press" darling yet they at least had enough respect to vote him with about 93.4% of the vote (oh yeah, no PEDs for Ted).

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Fred

The one thing I give McGwire credit for is not lying about it. He came clean and didn't implicate anybody else. It was good to see a player owning it and not trying to convince everyone (especially the US congress) otherwise.

I hope McGwire makes it before those other PED players that tried to make us all believe it was their natural ability. Funny how that ability only lasted for all of them during the same time period.

Nothing wrong with being a nice guy. Look at Mariano Rivera, obviously the ultimate nice guy. The first and only 100% first ballot vote getter. I still have a difficult time trying to figure out how some players were not 100% vote recipients.

Someone mentioned Papi and PEDs. Well, what's that tell you? Papi wasn't an ass to the press.

Look at Ted Williams, he wasn't a "press" darling yet they at least had enough respect to vote him with about 93.4% of the vote (oh yeah, no PEDs for Ted).

When did McGwire confess to all his PED use? All I remember is his constantly saying "I am not here to talk about the past" or some silly thing like that.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by bnorth

When did McGwire confess to all his PED use? All I remember is his constantly saying "I am not here to talk about the past" or some silly thing like that.

In a nationally televised interview. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3STkQC8pVEE

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by G1911

In a nationally televised interview. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3STkQC8pVEE

Thanks for the link. It was great till the end when he completely lied in a way to make himself look better. That was just sad. If those pills and injections didn't work nobody would take it and we wouldn't have got all those crazy numbers.

[Fred]

Originally Posted by bnorth

When did McGwire confess to all his PED use? All I remember is his constantly saying "I am not here to talk about the past" or some silly thing like that.

He did it a long time ago - you can research it on the net. He probably constantly indicated he was not there to talk about the past because he probably felt no need to continually re-hash what he already admitted to. I guess being in the lime light means having to say your sorry a 1,000 times (and then some).

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Fred

He did it a long time ago - you can research it on the net. He probably constantly indicated he was not there to talk about the past because he probably felt no need to continually re-hash what he already admitted to. I guess being in the lime light means having to say your sorry a 1,000 times (and then some).

I would imagine it was primarily because he didn't want to either commit perjury or to admit to a federal crime while under oath in front of a committee that was actively looking for a scapegoat.

[Fred]

At least McGwire didn't lie to congress... It took a few years for McGwire to own up to it, but at least he did. I don't think I can recall McGwire flat out denying PED use.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Fred

At least McGwire didn't lie to congress... It took a few years for McGwire to own up to it, but at least he did. I don't think I can recall McGwire flat out denying PED use.

I wasn't criticizing him, he picked the rational choice. He can perjure, become the scapegoat they were looking for and possibly face prosecution, or just deflect. Palmeiro chose perjury, McGwire chose to deflect and pick the safest route. Makes sense. I'd probably do the same.

I'm not aware of any evidence McGriff used that he would need to deny. Not that a denial means anything, I have noticed little correlation between what people say and actual truth.

[Fred]

Originally Posted by G1911

I wasn't criticizing him, he picked the rational choice. He can perjure, become the scapegoat they were looking for and possibly face prosecution, or just deflect. Palmeiro chose perjury, McGwire chose to deflect and pick the safest route. Makes sense. I'd probably do the same.

I'm not aware of any evidence McGriff used that he would need to deny. Not that a denial means anything, I have noticed little correlation between what people say and actual truth.

Criticize away because the players that chose to participate in it knew what they were doing and opened themselves up when the first injection or pill was taken. I looked at McGwires not choosing to answer as "guilty" because anybody that understands PEDs and users knew what was going on.

I can still remember Arnold Schwarzenegger denying his use of steroids when he started to rapidly bulk up. A few years later he just came out and admitted it because he probably knew people were going to figure it out in time.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by bnorth

When did McGwire confess to all his PED use? All I remember is his constantly saying "I am not here to talk about the past" or some silly thing like that.

I thought McGwire eventually admitted to PED use prior to his getting hired as a hitting coach for the Cardinals. I don't know if that was a condition of his being hired, but I seem to remember that was the timing of it.

Found this link that seems to confirm my memory of the timing:
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-for-the-cards