Exciting Ramly Discovery

sb1 · #1 01-05-2023, 01:53 PM

For clarity Ramleh/Helmar and Ramly are two entirely different companies, in fact the two were in a law-suit also highlighted above, which Anargyros decided to simply turn Ramleh around and use Helmar to avoid the confusion of the two brands.

Only Ramly(Mentor Co.) produced and distributed the T204 cards, all of which are quite scarce when compared to other tobacco issues of the day.

I only find advertising for the card issue for about 3 weeks in 1909. I have a hunch and that is all it is, that they used the Horner images without permission and may have come under fire for that, although no court records seem to show any type of action. Timayenis was never afraid of litigation or to take shortcuts which gives me reason to suspect his unauthorized use of the Horner images. Whoever produced and/or printed them simply tilted each image a few degrees and removed the various team names.

sb1 · #2 01-05-2023, 02:01 PM

more examples, you can compare to the players T204 card.

G1911 · #3 01-05-2023, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by sb1

I only find advertising for the card issue for about 3 weeks in 1909.

Would you post the full ads with the paper they appeared in and the dates? One of them is in post 9 but without a paper/periodical name/source or date discernible. Those would be very cool to see in complete form. The ads can be as fun as the cards

Corporal Lance Boil · #4 01-10-2023, 07:36 PM

This is a wonderful thread. I ventured into my stash of Ramly stuff today to look at the box I have (One top, two bottoms). I need to look at the front again, because I was focused on the inside of the top, which is different from the ones posted. Also, both backs have no tax stamp, ripped off.
Also, there is writing on the side of the box, via a torn sticker, that I am interested in.

Leon · #5 01-13-2023, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Corporal Lance Boil

This is a wonderful thread. I ventured into my stash of Ramly stuff today to look at the box I have (One top, two bottoms). I need to look at the front again, because I was focused on the inside of the top, which is different from the ones posted. Also, both backs have no tax stamp, ripped off.
Also, there is writing on the side of the box, via a torn sticker, that I am interested in.

It's the little tidbits of info we get that keep it exciting.
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Corporal Lance Boil · #6 01-14-2023, 06:49 PM

And I apologize for not getting to it sooner. But without getting into to details it's hard to get to my cards. That is deliberate, but as my brain ages, maybe not ideal.

lowpopper · #7 01-15-2023, 04:25 AM

need a ramly live break

Corporal Lance Boil · #8 01-15-2023, 12:08 PM

Looking at the box in more detail I think it's a run-of-the-mill Ramly box. The little disclaimer sticker appears on both bottoms on the side opposite the Ramly lettering. The sticker is incredibly fragile, and I actually broke off a piece attempting to straighten it.

The only difference is the inside of the lid wording is different than those posted above, but I have no idea how many variations there are.

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