Roberto Clemente Banned in Florida

Peter_Spaeth · #1 02-20-2023, 02:27 PM

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Way back in 1959, the Stratemeyer Syndicate, owners of The Hardy Boys and Nancy Drew serial books, began revising these books. One reason was to reduce the size by about 40 pages, and to "modernize" the stories, but another big reason was to remove some pretty flagrant racial stereotypes and slurs. I have complete sets of these books, including almost all variations, and while the original stories are more interesting, some of the racial stuff is really blatant. Like, having a black servant barely able to speak English, and so on.

So, revising books to stay current with evolving social norms goes back at least half a century. The question will always be, how heavy should the hand be that pushes the revisions, and in what direction should the force be applied.

Yeah, my fear is that the cure may be worse than the disease, once censorship becomes a norm. But that said, there is some horrifying stuff in early Disney for sure. Even Aladdin 1992 was awful in how it stereotyped Arab people.

1952boyntoncollector · #2 02-20-2023, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Yeah, my fear is that the cure may be worse than the disease, once censorship becomes a norm. But that said, there is some horrifying stuff in early Disney for sure. Even Aladdin 1992 was awful in how it stereotyped Arab people.

There are terrible stereo types in rap music as well and the list goes on and on.. so ban everything

packs · #3 02-20-2023, 02:45 PM

Isn't the intention the same? The original fairy tale was deemed too upsetting for children so it was altered to appeal to children of the time.

What's different about Roald Dahl's work?

Peter_Spaeth · #4 02-20-2023, 02:50 PM

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There are terrible stereo types in rap music as well and the list goes on and on.. so ban everything

Yes, that aspect of some rap seems to get a very large pass for the most part. Here is a very old piece by my classmate Kim Crenshaw.

https://www.bostonreview.net/article...-and-misogyny/

packs · #5 02-20-2023, 03:04 PM

People like to bring up rap. What is it about rap that pushes buttons? Someone will be upset about the lyrics to a rap song but then talk about how much they love Goodfellas or any number of movies in that vein.

Peter_Spaeth · #6 02-20-2023, 03:09 PM

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People like to bring up rap. What is it about rap that pushes buttons? Someone will be upset about the lyrics to a rap song but then talk about how much they love Goodfellas or any number of movies in that vein.

The blatant vulgar misogyny, for one.

packs · #7 02-20-2023, 03:10 PM

But that's what I mean. Isn't the same true for a ton of celebrated movies? Why does the music make it different?

Peter_Spaeth · #8 02-20-2023, 03:14 PM

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But that's what I mean. Isn't the same true for a ton of celebrated movies? Why does the music make it different?

I'm not sure what celebrated movies are as dehumanizing to women, especially black women, as some rap.

1952boyntoncollector · #9 02-20-2023, 09:54 PM

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But that's what I mean. Isn't the same true for a ton of celebrated movies? Why does the music make it different?

What are the ton of celebrated movies you speak of.. i know i can google a ton of degrading rap videos of woman and also of actual gangsters in the videos. The real violence versus fantasy movie violence is distinct

There have been actual rappers shot and killed that were in the 'life', i am not aware of rival movies stars shooting each other over reputation and who knows why else. about 18 rappers have been shot and killed in the last 2 years or so........if they are not so different why dont i see people wearing shirts of dead movies stars that were murdered. There is a style of rap called 'battle rap' i am not aware of anything close in the celebrated movies, but i can tell you many of these battle rappers were the most popular at the time and celebrated.. Many of these murders were directly related to the rap game...not because of an angry spouse etc

..https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._hop_musicians

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