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G1911 · #1 03-04-2023, 03:09 PM

The image is from Gans' audition for the original stage version of The Karate Kid.

searching · #2 03-07-2023, 05:16 AM

2 x mid 1920 boxer cards, dont know which set they are from, the backs are blank
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D. Bergin · #3 03-07-2023, 08:22 AM

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2 x mid 1920 boxer cards, dont know which set they are from, the backs are blank
Attachment 561072

c. 1923-24 Willards Chocolates V137

Canadian issue.

From a series of 56 boxers

refz · #4 04-30-2023, 08:11 AM

Nothing crazy here. Love these legends!

Exhibitman · #5 05-02-2023, 11:49 AM

I guess as you get more 'advanced' (age and card collecting), it takes a bit more to interest you:

N28 or A16 proof. Only one I've ever seen. It surfaced for sale years ago, vanished into a collection, then popped up in the April Lelands auction. It's pretty amazing looking in hand; wish it was a Sullivan

G1911 · #6 05-02-2023, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Exhibitman

I guess as you get more 'advanced' (age and card collecting), it takes a bit more to interest you:

N28 or A17 proof. Only one I've ever seen. It surfaced for sale years ago, vanished into a collection, then popped up in the April Lelands auction. It's pretty amazing looking in hand; wish it was a Sullivan

That is super awesome! Is it standard Ginter thickness or thin like a album cut?

Exhibitman · #7 05-02-2023, 05:53 PM

it is thin but not skinned. David Rudd (Cycleback) documented the proof years ago. It is on his web site.

Here's more nuttiness from the same Lelands lot:

I was scanning the A16-A17 stuff from the lot and noticed something odd:

Here is an A16 page:

Typical. Now, here is a Joe Lannon cut:

Notice anything? Let me put them side by side:

Yup, the A16 doesn't cut down to a clean card. Also, the name is black on the A16 and brown on the cut. Hmm. Since there was a proof in the lot I thought maybe I had more proofs. Then I looked closely at the edges of the three 'A16' boxer cuts in the lot. All of them have borders that do not match the colors of the backgrounds on the A16 sheets. What has matching colors around the borders of the cards?

What I have is a cut from the G20 poster, not an A16 album. I checked the other two cuts and they also have brown type and do not match their A16 pages, so they are G20 cuts too:

Since there are only a few of the posters known, these cuts are rare as well. I can't fault Lelands for missing this, it is really subtle and I did not see it until I was putting the cuts over the images on the album pages to see if the cuts were full sized, but who the heck collected this group of A16-A17 pages, G20 cuts and a proof, and did they know what they had?

Writehooks · #8 03-07-2023, 10:13 AM

Those two cards are from the mid-1920s Willard's Chocolates set (V137), an unnumbered, blank-backed 56-card issue from Canada. They can be found in both sepia or black and white. Biggest names in the set are Dempsey, Jeffries, Fitzsimmons and Ketchel.

G1911 · #9 03-14-2023, 10:25 PM

Picked up these 3 Red Sun's from a fellow collector. Puts me at 34/50 after ~18 months.

T226's are not from 1908; I would be utterly shocked if they date before Q2 of 1910, when Jack Johnson seems to have signed some deals with American Lithography. I have no idea how this myth started; PSA is still endorsing it today. Most claims to fact beyond the checklist about Red Suns do not seem to align with evidence or even reasonable deductions.

The cards have glossy fronts that damage very easily; slabs tend to obscure this. I see how these cards would get a 3.5 from a grader on a bad day with the new standards, or a 5 on a good day, but after crack out the Willete is the nicest of them. Willets has a deep scratch on the left, and a small corner wrinkle. I'd call that one a 4 and Willete the 5. Willette and Willets were the top POP's.

Jimmy Gardner is the 'get' for me, as he is a T218 subject which is what led me to the other T sets. Jimmy was a very, very good boxer. His brother George was the Light Heavy champ for a time, and another brother, Billy, was an obscure pro boxer. Joe Thomas, who appears in T224/T229, was his brother in law. Quite a family. Johnny Willetts was pretty good, one of the many northeast no decision fighters who appears to have had the better of it more often than not. He appears in series 2 of the T225's. Kid Willette is pretty obscure. I cannot think of another card he had off the top of my head.

Exhibitman · #10 03-16-2023, 01:52 PM

Yeah, 1908 makes no sense. The images alone disprove it.

Jim Jeffries did not look like this in 1908. He looked like the one in the bowler hat:

He didn't get the bald and in shape thing going until early 1910 as he trained for the Johnson fight.

G1911 · #11 03-16-2023, 02:33 PM

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Yeah, 1908 makes no sense. The images alone disprove it.

Jim Jeffries did not look like this in 1908. He looked like the one in the bowler hat:

He didn't get the bald and in shape thing going until early 1910 as he trained for the Johnson fight.

Evan Jones' 1993 book has them as 1908 (and he only has 46 confirmed subjects, missing the 4 black 'puglistic' subjects). The 1956 ACC gives no date and a set size of 50, though that may be taken from the back of the cards, listed at a then-high 30 cents a card price. I don't know if Burdick and friends actually had a checklist. Jones' book is all over the place quality wise, but the missing subjects in his checklist might indicate the SP theory.

PSA's checklist only lists the 46 whitey cards (https://www.psacard.com/psasetregist...position/11395). Bizarre, as their POP report includes a Johnson in a 2.5 to make 47 different they have graded, even if PSA refuses to acknowledge reality outside of their slabs. They still list it as a 1908 set everywhere. POP report has a "Kid Williams" card I suspect is a Kid Willette. I don't think anyone at PSA knows a single thing about T boxing cards. I can't tell where there information comes from - for baseball their system for older stuff relies heavily on the Standard Catalog, which makes sense. I don't know where the origin for their boxing database came from.

SGC's POP report (https://gosgc.com/pop-report/result/...T226%29/Boxing) is difficult to take seriously. Some sets are totally messed up and the old data is not there no matter what option you elect, like T220 Silver. T226 Red Sun appears to be all inclusive, but their datasets are so horrible that who knows if it's actually accurate. Their date of 1910 is also not tied to any actual primary source, but it's plausible and it's probably 1910 or 1911.

G1911 · #12 03-16-2023, 06:51 PM

Was a bit nervous about this one with the eBay 'authenticity' program, since it was listed as "Young Corbett" in the auction title.

I don't think I would agree with this being EX-MT due to the back stain, but who cares about condition for items this rare. PSA shows a 6, a 5, a 5 MC and a 2 in their pop report; SGC turns up nada. I only have a picture of the 6 and the 5(MC), plus the 8 card proof sheet. The 5 I haven't seen is in butcher35435's set on the registry. The 2 isn't on a registry set. I'd love to see images of these or any raw ones.

Exhibitman · #13 03-28-2023, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by G1911

The image is from Gans' audition for the original stage version of The Karate Kid.

I always thought that Hong Kong Phooey thing was such a weird pose that they had to be making it up. I was wrong.

G1911 · #14 03-30-2023, 11:51 PM

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I always thought that Hong Kong Phooey thing was such a weird pose that they had to be making it up. I was wrong.

Never get tired of this photo. Still don't know what he was doing, or why but it's hilarious. This card, the E77 Kaufman with half his top inexplicably missing, the E79 Sharkey 'bare ass', there's some funny old pictures and artwork.

G1911 · #15 03-31-2023, 12:21 AM

Cards 148 and 149 in my master set. Overpaid a little, but that's okay as it's getting less common to spot the combinations I still need, and this is the most difficult set to trade for as nobody cares about the 10 backs and the checklist is annoying to compare to collections.

G1911 · #16 04-03-2023, 12:38 AM

Unnumbered, but the golds are given as having a print run of 9 from the 2010 Ringside issue. I won the three eBay listings from the big run listed for the fighters from my collecting era for just a few bucks. Love the Turkey Red's.

wicker56 · #17 04-10-2023, 07:28 PM

This just arrived today after a few weeks in the mail. I have no idea if these are relatively common, or not. I just found it pretty interesting. I would guess circa 1932 -1934 due to this was when he was the Flyweight champion. It looks like he fought Young Perez on a couple of different occasions.

G1911 · #18 04-11-2023, 10:50 PM

46/50 Tolstoi backs down, and 628/632 for what I suspect is every printed front/back combination. All the toughies, recognized and unrecognized, are done, just waiting for the last Tolstoi's I need to come up again and finish this one.

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