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Old 03-09-2023, 06:31 PM
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Even by the numbers Cobb was clearly better than Speaker or Collins.
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Even by the numbers Cobb was clearly better than Speaker or Collins.
Oh sure. Didn't suggest otherwise.

Walter Johnson is one of the best 5 pitchers of all time. And seldom if ever do I hear a buzz about collecting him.
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Oh sure. Didn't suggest otherwise.

Walter Johnson is one of the best 5 pitchers of all time. And seldom if ever do I hear a buzz about collecting him.
Pitchers just don't have the same hobby attraction, but that said I do think people collect Johnson.
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Pitchers just don't have the same hobby attraction, but that said I do think people collect Johnson.
I would agree, Johnson & Matty are two that come to mind that eclipse most other pitchers in the hobby.
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I would agree, Johnson & Matty are two that come to mind that eclipse most other pitchers in the hobby.
Even more so in the modern realm.
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Cobb, Ruth, Matty, Joe J., Wags, Cy, along with some others arel excellent choices!
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I would agree, Johnson & Matty are two that come to mind that eclipse most other pitchers in the hobby.
I would add Cy Young to that list. Johnson, Mathewson and Young are in a class by themselves when it comes to pre-war pitchers.

I have always felt that Alexander, Grove and Nichols are underrated, but the hobby will never view them the same as the above three.
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I would add Cy Young to that list. Johnson, Mathewson and Young are in a class by themselves when it comes to pre-war pitchers.

I have always felt that Alexander, Grove and Nichols are underrated, but the hobby will never view them the same as the above three.
So many times we point out how much being on a good team helps a player. For instance, switch Matty and Alex... let Alex pitch for quality teams in the Polo Grounds and Matty for Philadelphia at Baker Bowl and watch what happens to their relative numbers.

But with Walter, he already was on a weak team. That's why, to me Walter is undoubtedly the best pitcher ever, and there shouldn't be one bit of debate about it. I mean, discussions are fun but at the end of the day, the conclusion should be unanimous.
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So many times we point out how much being on a good team helps a player. For instance, switch Matty and Alex... let Alex pitch for quality teams in the Polo Grounds and Matty for Philadelphia at Baker Bowl and watch what happens to their relative numbers.

But with Walter, he already was on a weak team. That's why, to me Walter is undoubtedly the best pitcher ever, and there shouldn't be one bit of debate about it. I mean, discussions are fun but at the end of the day, the conclusion should be unanimous.
100% agree Mark, imagine the Big Train as a Giant, Tiger, Cub, Pirate in that era.
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