Ty Cobb and the hobby

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Even by the numbers Cobb was clearly better than Speaker or Collins.

Oh sure. Didn't suggest otherwise.

Walter Johnson is one of the best 5 pitchers of all time. And seldom if ever do I hear a buzz about collecting him.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Oh sure. Didn't suggest otherwise.

Walter Johnson is one of the best 5 pitchers of all time. And seldom if ever do I hear a buzz about collecting him.

Pitchers just don't have the same hobby attraction, but that said I do think people collect Johnson.

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Pitchers just don't have the same hobby attraction, but that said I do think people collect Johnson.

I would agree, Johnson & Matty are two that come to mind that eclipse most other pitchers in the hobby.

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

I would agree, Johnson & Matty are two that come to mind that eclipse most other pitchers in the hobby.

Even more so in the modern realm.
5,000 DeGrom refractors gets you one Jasson Dominquez.

[mordecaibrown1]

Cobb, Ruth, Matty, Joe J., Wags, Cy, along with some others arel excellent choices!

[robertsmithnocure]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

I would agree, Johnson & Matty are two that come to mind that eclipse most other pitchers in the hobby.

I would add Cy Young to that list. Johnson, Mathewson and Young are in a class by themselves when it comes to pre-war pitchers.

I have always felt that Alexander, Grove and Nichols are underrated, but the hobby will never view them the same as the above three.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by robertsmithnocure

I would add Cy Young to that list. Johnson, Mathewson and Young are in a class by themselves when it comes to pre-war pitchers.

I have always felt that Alexander, Grove and Nichols are underrated, but the hobby will never view them the same as the above three.

So many times we point out how much being on a good team helps a player. For instance, switch Matty and Alex... let Alex pitch for quality teams in the Polo Grounds and Matty for Philadelphia at Baker Bowl and watch what happens to their relative numbers.

But with Walter, he already was on a weak team. That's why, to me Walter is undoubtedly the best pitcher ever, and there shouldn't be one bit of debate about it. I mean, discussions are fun but at the end of the day, the conclusion should be unanimous.

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by Mark17

So many times we point out how much being on a good team helps a player. For instance, switch Matty and Alex... let Alex pitch for quality teams in the Polo Grounds and Matty for Philadelphia at Baker Bowl and watch what happens to their relative numbers.

But with Walter, he already was on a weak team. That's why, to me Walter is undoubtedly the best pitcher ever, and there shouldn't be one bit of debate about it. I mean, discussions are fun but at the end of the day, the conclusion should be unanimous.

100% agree Mark, imagine the Big Train as a Giant, Tiger, Cub, Pirate in that era.

[Touch'EmAll]

Love the picture Kawika posted of Cobb & Matty!

The foremost reason why he has his top tier place in the hobby is because on the field he was truly great. Best of his era and then some.

I've posted about this before, always amazing when I think about it, but Ruth defeated Walter Johnson 5 out of 6 of their head-to-head matchups.