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05-27-2023, 11:30 AM
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05-27-2023, 11:56 AM
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Votto really benefits from advanced stats and his ability to walk. But even though those stats are often cited as justification I can’t help but feel like there is something artificial about Votto in the sense that he isn’t really that good.
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05-27-2023, 12:04 PM
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I think Greinke is a lock now. There are not 300 game winners anymore. Kershaw is not the standard of a HOF SP.
DeGrom is probably a no. He is 35, has pitched 4 complete seasons and still struggles to actually pitch without getting injured. Even by today's standards of starting pitchers, he barely plays. He's won 10 games 4 times. He's pitched 1,356 innings. I have to assume more than 25% of voters will look at stats that are not rate stats and notice he's barely played. Votto seems likely to get in and has the momentum. Pujols and Cabrera are not the standard for a HOF 1B and never have been. Mickey Mantle is not below HOF standard because Willie Mays was better. Altuve and Correa will likely come to politics rather performance, and politics in 20 years is unpredictable. Yellich is 31 and has been average to alright for 4 years now. I am not seeing how this is a realistic candidacy at this point. Who was the last guy to make the HOF on the basis of 2 years performance amidst a career of mediocrity? Goldschmidt is getting very close to a lock. Last edited by G1911; 05-27-2023 at 12:28 PM. Reason: A tensing error.
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05-27-2023, 12:22 PM
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Yeah, I didn’t realize just how bad Yelich has been since his two monster years.
He has little hope at this point of making the HOF
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05-28-2023, 08:41 AM
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Selfishly, I'd like to see Votto get in so the rookie card of his he signed for me in 2008 will be worth more, but I doubt the BBWAA considers my net worth when filling out their ballots.
Judge will need to stay healthy; his best two seasons have been his rookie year, and his walk year. Call me a cynic, but I'm not optimistic that someone as large, old, and injury-prone as him, having just signed a fully-guaranteed monster contract, will suddenly become more durable.
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05-28-2023, 10:21 AM
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If Correa is still in the running, isn't Lindor?
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05-28-2023, 10:25 AM
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05-28-2023, 10:48 AM
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I think people forget how rare it is to be a good fielding shortstop who can hit. Correa has the 4th highest OPS+ of any shortstop ever at 127. Wagner is #1 at 151, ARod is 140, Arky Vaughan is 136, then Correa. Ripken and Yount are at 115. Correa is having a down year and his rate statistics will probably deteriorate with age, but he is only 28 and already has a WAR of 39.8. Lindor has 4 top 10 MVP finishes and a WAR of 38 and is only 29 years old. Neither of the Puerto Rican shortstops are shoe-ins by any means, but if they have solid years into their mid-30s they have a serious chance of getting in.
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