SGG at the National - Onsite Grading?

raulus · #1 07-02-2023, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

And therefore what? It was OK to drop the guarantee and lie about it? I am not sure I see your point.

HA. It was intended to be a primarily rhetorical question.

And to highlight that the existing guarantees we do have in this industry don’t mean anything. Ergo, the loss of the guarantee doesn’t seem to be a particularly terrible loss.

Peter_Spaeth · #2 07-02-2023, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by raulus

HA. It was intended to be a primarily rhetorical question.

And to highlight that the existing guarantees we do have in this industry don�t mean anything. Ergo, the loss of the guarantee doesn�t seem to be a particularly terrible loss.

It's not, but I did not like the attitude or the disingenuousness.

raulus · #3 07-02-2023, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It's not, but I did not like the attitude or the disingenuousness.

If you will indulge me further, perhaps you could share why you feel the erstwhile guarantee would be meaningful, were it to be reinstated?

Peter_Spaeth · #4 07-02-2023, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by raulus

If you will indulge me further, perhaps you could share why you feel the erstwhile guarantee would be meaningful, were it to be reinstated?

Unlike PSA where the horror stories are legion, I had never heard of SGC not honoring the "erstwhile" guarantee. And it was the middle third of the company's NAME for god's sake. So yeah trashing it was a big deal IMO.

raulus · #5 07-02-2023, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Unlike PSA where the horror stories are legion, I had never heard of SGC not honoring the "erstwhile" guarantee. And it was the middle third of the company's NAME for god's sake. So yeah trashing it was a big deal IMO.

Gotcha. I wasn’t familiar with the backstory that SGC had historically honored the guarantee.

Peter_Spaeth · #6 07-02-2023, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by raulus

Gotcha. I wasn’t familiar with the backstory that SGC had historically honored the guarantee.

Evidently they were concerned about all the altered cards being outed and wanted off the hook. Brazen move IMO, but with their loyal fanbase they rightly figured nobody would care.

raulus · #7 07-02-2023, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Evidently they were concerned about all the altered cards being outed and wanted off the hook. Brazen move IMO, but with their loyal fanbase they rightly figured nobody would care.

Another rhetorical question not entirely intended to make your blood boil:

Is it better to eliminate a guarantee, or keep it and just decline to honor it?

I suppose those are the two outcomes we�ve seen, and it seems like the collective response has been a shrug, although some around here have noisily expressed their dissatisfaction with those outcomes.

Snapolit1 · #8 07-02-2023, 07:48 PM

Do people think that if they kiss ass on grading companies in a public forum they might potentially get better grades down the road?

Lorewalker · #9 07-02-2023, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It's not, but I did not like the attitude or the disingenuousness.

Wasn't this also around the time where SGC closed up the autograph authentication portion of their business after it was discovered that they had authenticated forged sigs on T206s? This way they did not have to write checks. Classy move.

Once again, the hobby forgives these types of actions by the TPG. We all bitch and moan about how strict they are, how unfair it is, how horrible it is they grade altered cards and refuse to buy them back, how expensive it is to grade or how long the wait is and now we are upset SGC will not show up to the National yet most or all of us forgive them for all of this and send them more money. There is nothing that they could do that would stop us from sending them more money.

raulus · #10 07-02-2023, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Lorewalker

Wasn't this also around the time where SGC closed up the autograph authentication portion of their business after it was discovered that they had authenticated forged sigs on T206s? This way they did not have to write checks. Classy move.

Once again, the hobby forgives these types of actions by the TPG. We all bitch and moan about how strict they are, how unfair it is, how horrible it is they grade altered cards and refuse to buy them back, how expensive it is to grade or how long the wait is and now we are upset SGC will not show up to the National yet most or all of us forgive them for all of this and send them more money. There is nothing that they could do that would stop us from sending them more money.

Seems like a nice business to be in!

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