Best team with no HOFers or HOF caliber players?

[cgjackson222]

The Giants sort of had a dynasty in the early 2010s winning World Series in 2010, 2012, and 2014. Their best players were probably Madison Bumgarner, Buster Posey, Tim Lincecum and Barry Zito. All fine players, but I don't see any of them getting into the HOF any time soon.


Also, the Kansas City Royals won the Word Series in 2015 in 5 games and lost it in 7 games the year before and their best players were probably Salvador Perez, Alex Gordon, Erik Hosmer, Alex Rios and Ben Zobrist. Unlike the Giants from a few years earlier, they had few to no pitching stars, unless you consider Lorenzo Cain, Edison Volquez, or their closer Greg Holland to be stars.

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

The Giants sort of had a dynasty in the early 2010s winning World Series in 2010, 2012, and 2014. Their best players were probably Madison Bumgarner, Buster Posey, Tim Lincecum and Barry Zito. All fine players, but I don't see any of them getting into the HOF any time soon.


Also, the Kansas City Royals won the Word Series in 2015 in 5 games and lost it in 7 games the year before and their best players were probably Salvador Perez, Alex Gordon, Erik Hosmer, Alex Rios and Ben Zobrist. Unlike the Giants from a few years earlier, they had few to no pitching stars, unless you consider Lorenzo Cain, Edison Volquez, or their closer Greg Holland to be stars.

Good call on both teams.

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

The Giants sort of had a dynasty in the early 2010s winning World Series in 2010, 2012, and 2014. Their best players were probably Madison Bumgarner, Buster Posey, Tim Lincecum and Barry Zito. All fine players, but I don't see any of them getting into the HOF any time soon.


Also, the Kansas City Royals won the Word Series in 2015 in 5 games and lost it in 7 games the year before and their best players were probably Salvador Perez, Alex Gordon, Erik Hosmer, Alex Rios and Ben Zobrist. Unlike the Giants from a few years earlier, they had few to no pitching stars, unless you consider Lorenzo Cain, Edison Volquez, or their closer Greg Holland to be stars.

really like your pick with the Giants.

Those players just all spiked with career bests during those years at the same time. And then some faded away while others had some respectable to strong careers

[packs]

The 2008 Rays had nobody and they managed to win 97 games in the AL East. Lost to the Phillies in the series but their best players were Carlos Pena, Evan Longoria and Carl Crawford.

[jingram058]

1962 angels, 86 - 76, 3rd in AL. They had nobody.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

The Giants sort of had a dynasty in the early 2010s winning World Series in 2010, 2012, and 2014. Their best players were probably Madison Bumgarner, Buster Posey, Tim Lincecum and Barry Zito. All fine players, but I don't see any of them getting into the HOF any time soon.


Also, the Kansas City Royals won the Word Series in 2015 in 5 games and lost it in 7 games the year before and their best players were probably Salvador Perez, Alex Gordon, Erik Hosmer, Alex Rios and Ben Zobrist. Unlike the Giants from a few years earlier, they had few to no pitching stars, unless you consider Lorenzo Cain, Edison Volquez, or their closer Greg Holland to be stars.

IMO Posey is a clear HOFer.

[packs]

I think Posey is a lock for the HOF as well and I don't see a lot of similarities between his career and Munson's. Posey won a batting title, which is very unusual for a catcher. I can't think of an unusual aspect of Munson's game or anything that would separate him from another borderline catcher. Posey also went out on his own terms with a monster final season. His OPS+ is significantly higher than Munson's and even their prime OPS+ numbers put Posey significantly ahead in terms of production in any single season.

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by packs

I think Posey is a lock for the HOF as well and I don't see a lot of similarities between his career and Munson's. Posey won a batting title, which is very unusual for a catcher. I can't think of an unusual aspect of Munson's game or anything that would separate him from another borderline catcher. Posey also went out on his own terms with a monster final season. His OPS+ is significantly higher than Munson's and even their prime OPS+ numbers put Posey significantly ahead in terms of production in any single season.

So you don't see any similarities between two catchers that both won Rookie of the Year, both won MVP, both were 7x All Stars, both won multiple World Series, and both won Gold Gloves?

As far as peak goes, Munson's WAR 7 is higher than Posey's.

Last, Posey played 229 games at first base, so he needed to be a better hitter than Munson to be a fair comparison.

[packs]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

So you don't see any similarities between two catchers that both won Rookie of the Year, both won MVP, both were 7x All Stars, both won multiple World Series, and both won Gold Gloves?

As far as peak goes, Munson's WAR 7 is higher than Posey's.

Last, Posey played 229 games at first base, so he needed to be a better hitter than Munson to be a fair comparison.

No, I don't see any comparison. Munson was not the player Posey was, for several reasons:

Posey was a 300 hitter for his career. Munson was not. This is an important stat for catchers as they are rarely 300 hitters.

Posey won a batting title. Another rarity for catchers.

Posey has a career OPS+ of 129 compared to Munson's 116.

Munson's prime wasn't all that special either. The year he won MVP his OPS+ was 126, below Posey's career average. Posey's OPS+ during his MVP season was 171 and led the league.

Again, Posey was doing special things and Munson was not.

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by packs

No, I don't see any comparison. Munson was not the player Posey was, for several reasons:

Posey was a 300 hitter for his career. Munson was not. This is an important stat for catchers as they are rarely 300 hitters.

Posey won a batting title. Another rarity for catchers.

Posey has a career OPS+ of 129 compared to Munson's 116.

Munson's prime wasn't all that special either. The year he won MVP his OPS+ was 126, below Posey's career average. Posey's OPS+ during his MVP season was 171 and led the league.

Again, Posey was doing special things and Munson was not.

So you aren't even going to acknowledge that Posey played a season as a half as a first baseman?

[packs]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

So you aren't even going to acknowledge that Posey played a season as a half as a first baseman?

How does it factor into anything? I'm not going to mention Munson's untimely death either.

Looks like Munson appeared as a DH 77 times and had another 50 plus appearances in the outfield himself. Not sure it matters, does it?