SGC Delays

[53toppscollector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Why is it the SGC cheerleaders studiously avoid responding to posts by people showing SGC misgraded their cards?

these grading companies have literally graded millions of cards. they are always going to undergrade (or overgrade) a percentage of cards just based on volume. if you want perfection, you shouldnt grade cards. ive had lots of cards come back in what id consider "undergraded" and ive had a few come back graded higher than i thought they would. all in the game.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by 53toppscollector

these grading companies have literally graded millions of cards. they are always going to undergrade (or overgrade) a percentage of cards just based on volume. if you want perfection, you shouldnt grade cards. ive had lots of cards come back in what id consider "undergraded" and ive had a few come back graded higher than i thought they would. all in the game.

Thanks for the education. I am talking about entire orders being 2 grades (or more) too low. Not to mention hearing from many people they are having the same issue.

[53toppscollector]

"2 grades too low" for a whole order is something i havent ever encountered.

its also pretty hard to post a card online and ask people to critique the grade when they cant actually see the card or the surface, because its a 2d scan.

all the grading companies make mistakes. ive seen lots of random youtube videos of someone getting a 4 or 5, cracking it and re-sending, and then getting a 7 or 8. it happens. but again, we are talking about insane volume, there will be mistakes. plenty of people also dont examine their own cards with a 30x loupe and check the surface for issues before sending.

i've probably graded 500-600 cards with PSA and 300-400 cards with SGC. ive had cards come back that look like they are too low or higher than i thought, but ive never had an order of 20 cards come back where every card is 2 grades off.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by 53toppscollector

"2 grades too low" for a whole order is something i havent ever encountered.

its also pretty hard to post a card online and ask people to critique the grade when they cant actually see the card or the surface, because its a 2d scan.

all the grading companies make mistakes. ive seen lots of random youtube videos of someone getting a 4 or 5, cracking it and re-sending, and then getting a 7 or 8. it happens. but again, we are talking about insane volume, there will be mistakes. plenty of people also dont examine their own cards with a 30x loupe and check the surface for issues before sending.

i've probably graded 500-600 cards with PSA and 300-400 cards with SGC. ive had cards come back that look like they are too low or higher than i thought, but ive never had an order of 20 cards come back where every card is 2 grades off.

Yes, of course one would expect some deviances within any order, I would not have made my statement if that's all it was. As for the scan, I was asked to post it, I am not asking anyone to conclude anything. I think there were 35 cards in my order, all vintage. Nearly every one was 2 grades low. Nothing higher than 6 and I thought many would 8 or even 9 they were gorgeous cards.

[53toppscollector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

As for the scan, I was asked to post it, I am not asking anyone to conclude anything.

this was you an hour ago

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Why is it the SGC cheerleaders studiously avoid responding to posts by people showing SGC misgraded their cards?

what do you want people to say? you seem to imply you expect people to bash SGC when someone posts a card that they feel is undergraded. how is it my place, or anyone's place, to criticize a grade of a card i dont have in hand and cant examine?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by 53toppscollector

this was you an hour ago



what do you want people to say? you seem to imply you expect people to bash SGC when someone posts a card that they feel is undergraded. how is it my place, or anyone's place, to criticize a grade of a card i dont have in hand and cant examine?

When the people doing the complaining have a lot of hobby and grading experience and credibility, the scans just reinforce what they are saying. I think the cheerleaders here ignore anything negative -- including the removal of the guarantee and the fact that the owner and employees submit their own -- but whatever. You can have the last word.

[Lorewalker]

My experience has been the same with both SGC and PSA. It is precisely why I am not submitting nearly as much. Up until recently, snowman was experiencing the same thing and I think that clementefanoh had also alluded several times on his experiences with SGC being more harsh.

Grading standards have gotten much tougher with both companies recently. There are just too many hobbyists I speak with who echo these sentiments...these are the same people who from time to time would say there were certain cards within a sub they felt the grader was more harsh on. Now you are hearing the entire sub got hammered.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

When the people doing the complaining have a lot of hobby and grading experience and credibility, the scans just reinforce what they are saying. I think the cheerleaders here ignore anything negative -- including the removal of the guarantee and the fact that the owner and employees submit their own -- but whatever. You can have the last word.

I'm not a fanboy of SGC per se, but I do think they do the best job currently, of any TPG.

The guarantee means nothing to me. And I think it's effectively just an empty promise with PSA anyhow. Nobody cares about altered cards. It is what it is. And if enough people did, all the TPGs would go bankrupt overnight if they had to pay out on them. PSA wants to keep up the facade and charges us all extra for this "service". SGC is at least being honest by getting rid of the program. The guarantee is what PSA uses to justify its upcharging campaign. And they are vicious about their upcharges. SGC almost never upcharges me, even when they clearly could. I'll take much cheaper grading fees and no guarantee all day over higher fees and an empty promise from PSA. To each their own.

Employees being able to have their cards graded at SGC doesn't bother me either. Nat Turner grades all his stuff with PSA. I grade my own raw cards when I post them on eBay. So does Greg Morris. At the end of the day, it's up to the buyers to determine what each card is worth to them. If something looks over- graded, it generally undersells. If it looks under-graded, it goes for a premium. The market largely corrects itself for most of this stuff anyhow.