Cards still being outed on Blowout -- PSA 9 Monte Irvin in the recent ML

[JeremyW]

I honestly have no idea, but if raulus were to reach out to PSA with the before & after scans would he be laughed out of the building? Would there be any response from PSA? Seems to me that having the #2 PSA Willie Mays master set would at least warrant a response from someone.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by JeremyW

I honestly have no idea, but if raulus were to reach out to PSA with the before & after scans would he be laughed out of the building? Would there be any response from PSA? Seems to me that having the #2 PSA Willie Mays master set would at least warrant a response from someone.

Yes, they would respond. And there's a chance he might get reimbursed. But they often deny these sorts of claims.

[Peter_Spaeth]

They might bump it to a 9.

[JeremyW]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

They might bump it to a 9.

I didn't think of that possibility.

[JeremyW]

That might be the best solution. Raulus is made whole & the card is??? I wouldn't want it destroyed, but what is the solution to stop it from being graded by PSA a year from now?

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Yes, they would respond. And there's a chance he might get reimbursed. But they often deny these sorts of claims.

They have a webpage that discusses their guarantee, and identifies how to contact them:

https://www.psacard.com/about/financialguarantee

I've sent them an email as they requested, to get the process started. We'll see how it goes. I'm not holding my breath. They have an autoresponse to identify that they work to respond to emails within 3 days.

I'm certainly more than happy to take the current market value for it, and hopefully they use it as a teaching moment for their graders. But both would seem like rather unreasonably high hopes.

[JeremyW]

Originally Posted by raulus

They have a webpage that discusses their guarantee, and identifies how to contact them:

https://www.psacard.com/about/financialguarantee

I've sent them an email as they requested, to get the process started. We'll see how it goes. I'm not holding my breath. They have an autoresponse to identify that they work to respond to emails within 3 days.

I'm certainly more than happy to take the current market value for it, and hopefully they use it as a teaching moment for their graders. But both would seem like rather unreasonably high hopes.

Please let us know how that works out for you. I'm rooting for you.

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by raulus

They have a webpage that discusses their guarantee, and identifies how to contact them:

https://www.psacard.com/about/financialguarantee

I've sent them an email as they requested, to get the process started. We'll see how it goes. I'm not holding my breath. They have an autoresponse to identify that they work to respond to emails within 3 days.

I'm certainly more than happy to take the current market value for it, and hopefully they use it as a teaching moment for their graders. But both would seem like rather unreasonably high hopes.

If PSA actually pays you, then we are here

[JeremyW]

I would agree for the average collector. Raulus is not your average collector.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

If PSA actually pays you, then we are here

I think the likelihood of being reimbursed for a recolored card is higher than for a trimmed card.

[parkplace33]

Originally Posted by raulus

They have a webpage that discusses their guarantee, and identifies how to contact them:

https://www.psacard.com/about/financialguarantee

I've sent them an email as they requested, to get the process started. We'll see how it goes. I'm not holding my breath. They have an autoresponse to identify that they work to respond to emails within 3 days.

I'm certainly more than happy to take the current market value for it, and hopefully they use it as a teaching moment for their graders. But both would seem like rather unreasonably high hopes.

Good luck and keep us posted. Did you mention you are a member of net54? That might have raised the level of importance for PSA

[raulus]

Originally Posted by parkplace33

Good luck and keep us posted. Did you mention you are a member of net54? That might have raised the level of importance for PSA

HA.

No disrespect to this august body, but I'm not convinced they will be effectively swayed by my participation in this forum.

I haven't really considered how I'm going to approach it once they get back to me. If they are dismissive, then I'll probably have to find ways to push a little harder. And I suppose a little online pressure can sometimes be used to help a company do the right thing.

But we'll see how it goes, and I'll be happy to share the outcome when it unfolds.

My guess is they'll look at the data, suggest that they are two different cards, and thank me for my time. Or some variation on that theme.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by raulus

HA.

No disrespect to this august body, but I'm not convinced they will be effectively swayed by my participation in this forum.

I haven't really considered how I'm going to approach it once they get back to me. If they are dismissive, then I'll probably have to find ways to push a little harder. And I suppose a little online pressure can sometimes be used to help a company do the right thing.

But we'll see how it goes, and I'll be happy to share the outcome when it unfolds.

My guess is they'll look at the data, suggest that they are two different cards, and thank me for my time. Or some variation on that theme.

They're not going to care about a before scan of the card in question. All they can do, and I would argue all that they should be expected to do, is evaluate the card itself again, in hand. You can point them to the alteration, but if it is not detectable in hand, under a loupe, then it's not detectable. This is why so many trimmed cards get the thumbs up from them after being sent in for review. If it measures correctly and the edges look right, there's really nothing they can do. However, in this case, it should be detectable.

[Johnny630]

This is dangerous they could also lower the grade back down to a 7 and your Royally F&Cked…will only get compensated the difference.

Raulis just sit back take 72 hours and think this over sir. Again your collection is beautiful and you should be proud.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Snowman

They're not going to care about a before scan of the card in question. All they can do, and I would argue all that they should be expected to do, is evaluate the card itself again, in hand. You can point them to the alteration, but if it is not detectable in hand, under a loupe, then it's not detectable. This is why so many trimmed cards get the thumbs up from them after being sent in for review. If it measures correctly and the edges look right, there's really nothing they can do. However, in this case, it should be detectable.

Agree here. If they actually review it, the recoloring should be pretty evident once the area is pointed out, not that it ever should have to be pointed out. They are supposed to make sure cards like this do not get into holders.

Unlike so many other alterations that are much harder to detect once the card is in the holder, the recoloring is not. I think they write checks on cards like this when they feel the alteration is not masked by the fact the card is encapsulated. This is why their guarantee is utterly worthless.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by parkplace33

Good luck and keep us posted. Did you mention you are a member of net54? That might have raised the level of importance for PSA

That would probably assure they blow him off. Like Nat cares about Net 54. I think having such a high ranked Mays player set might lend some credence though.