Early Hall Discussion:

jayshum · #1 11-02-2023, 08:25 PM

I agree that Beltre is a lock to get in. While he played a long time, I think calling him an accumulator is a little harsh.

Helton got close enough last year that he probably gets in as well.

Wagner got 68.1% last year so may be close enough to also make it.

If the above 3 get in then I don't think Jones and Mauer do. They both might eventually, but I think Mauer might have a better chance than Jones.

I would love to see Chase Utley eventually get in, but if he does, it will probably take a while.

Smanzari · #2 11-02-2023, 09:07 PM

I think its a big class this year between those you pointed out (I think all of them make it, maybe with Mauer waiting a year or three) plus the Vet Committee (I think we'll get 2-4 from there too)

packs · #3 11-02-2023, 09:35 PM

I think Beltre is definite. Most likely Helton. I think Mauer gets in eventually but probably not this year.

Peter_Spaeth · #4 11-02-2023, 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by packs

I think Beltre is definite. Most likely Helton. I think Mauer gets in eventually but probably not this year.

This. I can't see Jones and i think Wagner is destined to fall short.

G1911 · #5 11-02-2023, 10:15 PM

Helton is a lock, probably this year, with 72%.

Wagner is also a lock, with 68% and 2 years to go. Candidates that reach this level and fall short of the writers ballot are put in by a committee. The question is when, not if, Wagner gets in and if he actually deserves it.

With 4 years to go and 58% Jones is also probably destined for Cooperstown eventually, though I doubt next year.

Beltre will probably get in first ballot next year.

Mauer probably gets in via the writers but not first ballot.

packs · #6 11-03-2023, 07:43 AM

Wagner has one more year on the ballot after this one and I think he's doomed if he doesn't get in now. The next class will have CC and Ichiro on it as first ballots. If Helton doesn't get in this year, he'll pull a lot of votes next year. Same with Mauer. Might not be enough to go around.

It'll be interesting to see how things go for him. He jumped a lot last year with a weak ballot.

I'm not sure K-Rod is a HOFer either but it's interesting he gets such little support but didn't have all that lesser a career.

Mike D. · #7 11-03-2023, 10:01 AM

I love Hall of Fame talk! I think that Beltre is a lock in year one, and it'll be interesting to see how Mauer does. He could squeak in or take a few tries. I also think Chase Utley is a better candidate than many may realize. He won't make it year one, but it'll be interesting to see if any voters agree with me or not.

On the returning guys, Helton and Wagner both belong...be nice to see them get in this year. I don't see any other returning guys making it, but there are several deserving on the ballot.

Here are some write-ups I did on the players on the ballot and their rookie cards...

Adrian Beltre
Joe Mauer
Chase Utley
Todd Helton
Andruw Jones
Billy Wagner

clydepepper · #8 11-03-2023, 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G1911

Helton is a lock, probably this year, with 72%.

Wagner is also a lock, with 68% and 2 years to go. Candidates that reach this level and fall short of the writers ballot are put in by a committee. The question is when, not if, Wagner gets in and if he actually deserves it.

With 4 years to go and 58% Jones is also probably destined for Cooperstown eventually, though I doubt next year.

Beltre will probably get in first ballot next year.

Mauer probably gets in via the writers but not first ballot.

Beltre's first ballot is 01/2024, technically next year, but next ballot for purposes of this discussion.

and, after, two of the three Cuban players I always thought deserved it, got it in (Oliva & Minoso), I hope Luis Tiant, Jr. gets in before he's gone...he may just light up during his acceptance speech...that would be excellent!!
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butchie_t · #9 11-03-2023, 11:18 AM

Todd Helton and after that whoever else.

I may be a bit biased too.

Butch T.

toothcutter · #10 11-03-2023, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

This. I can't see Jones and i think Wagner is destined to fall short.

Torally disagree peter. Not really sure how your getting there.

Peter_Spaeth · #11 11-03-2023, 09:27 PM

Probably wrong. Just feel there's enough resistance to relief pitchers that he may have hit a plateau and won't win over enough holdouts, and his election would open the floodgates as there are a number of guys whose stats are or will end up fairly comparable.

G1911 · #12 11-03-2023, 09:34 PM

I think Wagner is a poor candidate, but with 68% of the vote the odds he never gets in are tiny. Has any player ever hit 2/3 of the vote and then failed to eventually be inducted?

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