1952 topps Mantle how can this be real

steve B · #1 12-15-2023, 09:47 AM

I think the reason is that to make a great fake you'd need an original as source material.
And it's become so expensive that it just hasn't happened.

It would be worth it to make one nearly perfect one. maybe a bit off, so it's not suspicious, but around a 7-8. what it would take is out of reach for most fakers.

Someone smart would only do that once. Maybe with a handful of other 52 high numbers to avert suspicion.
Two? It would start getting looked at more closely.
Three? Just asking for trouble.

raulus · #2 12-15-2023, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by steve B

I think the reason is that to make a great fake you'd need an original as source material.
And it's become so expensive that it just hasn't happened.

It would be worth it to make one nearly perfect one. maybe a bit off, so it's not suspicious, but around a 7-8. what it would take is out of reach for most fakers.

Someone smart would only do that once. Maybe with a handful of other 52 high numbers to avert suspicion.
Two? It would start getting looked at more closely.
Three? Just asking for trouble.

What if you really wanted to tweak some noses?

I could see some of the more sinister elements of our hobby deciding to go scorched earth and create millions of really good 52T fakes. If done properly, it could throw the entire hobby in disarray for a while, at least until we figured out some way to reliably distinguish the fakes from the real deal.

Peter_Spaeth · #3 12-15-2023, 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steve B

I think the reason is that to make a great fake you'd need an original as source material.
And it's become so expensive that it just hasn't happened.

It would be worth it to make one nearly perfect one. maybe a bit off, so it's not suspicious, but around a 7-8. what it would take is out of reach for most fakers.

Someone smart would only do that once. Maybe with a handful of other 52 high numbers to avert suspicion.
Two? It would start getting looked at more closely.
Three? Just asking for trouble.

If someone could buy a low grade one that would enable them to make a high grade one, the profit would be staggering. This to me doesn't explain it.

Gorditadogg · #4 12-18-2023, 06:45 PM

Up to $12k!

Seller says he will put the card in a toploader for shipment LOL.

jchcollins · #5 12-19-2023, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

If someone could buy a low grade one that would enable them to make a high grade one, the profit would be staggering. This to me doesn't explain it.

Not to mention, couldn�t your model (for example) just be a common �52 Topps card and not the Mantle? Maybe not, I don�t know but either way having one to produce profit on many doesn�t seem to me something that would stand in the way for long.

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steve B · #6 12-20-2023, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jchcollins

Not to mention, couldn�t your model (for example) just be a common �52 Topps card and not the Mantle? Maybe not, I don�t know but either way having one to produce profit on many doesn�t seem to me something that would stand in the way for long.

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For commons, it's the same process and same effort. The payday would be the Mantle. But you would probably only get one or two accepted before a lot of questioning.

The problem most fakers have is that they're mostly lazy.
The effort to get a top quality fake is a lot but the reward would be too.
On the other hand, using a cheap fake takes no effort, and apparently gets you thousands.

It's also in the range of just refunding if it gets caught, and a couple thousand probably won't be investigated. Because at that point "I didn't know" just might be all you need.
A couple million or more might cause the faker a lot more trouble.

luciobar1980 · #7 12-21-2023, 08:44 AM

whoops, nevermind.

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