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Old 02-18-2024, 08:21 PM
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I don't disagree, but I still don't think these levels (we will see where the REA one ends up, it's 60 pre vig now) are sustainable for this issue.
Modern money is making a bet on Wagner cards right now.
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I finally picked up my first Wagner card at auction last night.
Although not from his playing days(or even Pre-War for that matter), it is multiple times more rare than his almighty T206.

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Was watching the T206 Matty, dark cap, PSA 5, really nice for the grade. Basic Piedmont back. Ended w/bp 7800. - OMG. Has to be a new all time high for that card in that grade ! Has the pre-war market bottomed and now trending up in 2024?
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Was watching the T206 Matty, dark cap, PSA 5, really nice for the grade. Basic Piedmont back. Ended w/bp 7800. - OMG. Has to be a new all time high for that card in that grade ! Has the pre-war market bottomed and now trending up in 2024?
If that was the bottom, it wasn't much of a bottom.
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Wha? Is it rarer than the Cobb and WaJo in that set?
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Old 02-20-2024, 03:07 PM
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Hopefully cards will get too expensive soon and we'll see a trickle down into his autographs too. His signature is still pretty affordable for a universal tier one guy:

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Wha? Is it rarer than the Cobb and WaJo in that set?
no, it's not. There is definitely a perception that honus doesn't have a ton of cards to choose from. While I believe he has many...there are not nearly as many to choose from as cobbs...there's no question about that.

Portraits have been on fire last few years as they are similar to the t206.

to me...these prices are pretty crazy on m116's. i'm not sure if they are legit or being manipulated.
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no, it's not. There is definitely a perception that honus doesn't have a ton of cards to choose from. While I believe he has many...there are not nearly as many to choose from as cobbs...there's no question about that.

Portraits have been on fire last few years as they are similar to the t206.

to me...these prices are pretty crazy on m116's. i'm not sure if they are legit or being manipulated.
Johnson has very few portrait cards and his M116 is far from abundant. No blue, but I bought a pastel not long ago for a tiny fraction of what a Wagner would now cost.
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Johnson has very few portrait cards and his M116 is far from abundant. No blue, but I bought a pastel not long ago for a tiny fraction of what a Wagner would now cost.
you're usually one step ahead of the pumpers, Pete! I've always liked m116's for their more realistic images over t206 and their relative scarcity comparatively.
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no, it's not. There is definitely a perception that honus doesn't have a ton of cards to choose from. While I believe he has many...there are not nearly as many to choose from as cobbs...there's no question about that.

Portraits have been on fire last few years as they are similar to the t206.

to me...these prices are pretty crazy on m116's. i'm not sure if they are legit or being manipulated.
My 9/10/23 post in this thread has a POP breakdown of Wagner playing days cards: at that time there were 3,576. I had a Cobb POP count I was working on but ran out of steam after over 100 variations and 10K+ cards…by comparison Joe Jackson playing days cards which I also created a total POP post on are fewer than 1,500…
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My 9/10/23 post in this thread has a POP breakdown of Wagner playing days cards: at that time there were 3,576. I had a Cobb POP count I was working on but ran out of steam after over 100 variations and 10K+ cards…by comparison Joe Jackson playing days cards which I also created a total POP post on are fewer than 1,500…
While Wagner holds the top spot ala T206, Cobb far outweighs the Dutchman in aesthetically pleasing cards.
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Wha? Is it rarer than the Cobb and WaJo in that set?
Hank, I don't know much about the M116 set, but I'll venture a guess that the WaJo with the "OVER 300 SUBJECTS" back is rarer.
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PSA and SGC pop reports for Cobb, Wagner, and Johnson. The blue is fairly rare
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Modern money is making a bet on Wagner cards right now.
I agree.

Also, the pop on a PSA 5 and higher is 14.

Besides the T206 and M116, I can only think of only a few issues that depict a playing age Wagner that actually looks like him. I am far from an expert on prewar, but he just doesn't have too many really nice-looking cards.

The ultra-modern market can be manipulated rather easily, and I expect to now see a bunch of Wagners hitting the market. From M116 and beyond ....
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What does this do, if anything, for the pastel?
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Besides the T206 and M116, I can only think of only a few issues that depict a playing age Wagner that actually looks like him. I am far from an expert on prewar, but he just doesn't have too many really nice-looking cards.
Huh? Wagner has many playing age cards. LOL. Not sure if you are referring to him or the card not being nice looking but imo many of his playing age cards are good looking cards.
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Huh? Wagner has many playing age cards. LOL. Not sure if you are referring to him or the card not being nice looking but imo many of his playing age cards are good looking cards.
As I mentioned, he doesn't have many cards that look like him, save the few I had mentioned. Just my opinion. Your opinion may be different, and that is okay.
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I've always liked the M101 and Collins McCarthy sets for having actual photos of Wagner.
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I think Wagner portrait are particularly desirable, considering his portrait is the most famous in all of baseball cards. Personally, aside from the t206, I think the Tip Top is THE one to own given it’s the closest thing to the T206 pose out there. We had that poll A while ago and I think the E90-2 finished first, followed by the Tip Top and the W600, but I do believe the blue M116 got many votes. It’s a great card.
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