Can Southern Leaguers have a Piedmont 150 back

steve B · #1 03-20-2024, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by brianp-beme

Hi Steve, so would this card with a heavy stain on both sides be an example of a T206 with uncoated stock, or staining so heavy that it was able to affect the other side of a T206 with coated stock?

Brian

Hard to tell coated from uncoated from a scan, but I'd go with uncoated and a spill that hit the front and both partly soaked through and likely was bad enough to puddle on the table and soak in from the back.

The front has a more well defined stain, while the back is less clear and more "blurry" at the edges.

The uncoated stock is more like finished cardstock, where one surface is smooth and a bit pressed from a roller in the paper making machine. It has no real coating, but absorbs most things better on the reverse side. It's good for printing on, since that finished side makes the ink stay on the surface making for brighter colors and crisper images.

If you look at a coated stock T206 under high magnification you can see the cracks in the coating.

brianp-beme · #2 03-20-2024, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by steve B

Hard to tell coated from uncoated from a scan, but I'd go with uncoated and a spill that hit the front and both partly soaked through and likely was bad enough to puddle on the table and soak in from the back.

The front has a more well defined stain, while the back is less clear and more "blurry" at the edges.

The uncoated stock is more like finished cardstock, where one surface is smooth and a bit pressed from a roller in the paper making machine. It has no real coating, but absorbs most things better on the reverse side. It's good for printing on, since that finished side makes the ink stay on the surface making for brighter colors and crisper images.

If you look at a coated stock T206 under high magnification you can see the cracks in the coating.

Thanks Steve. Another side question. The T206 Manning I shared is a Piedmont 350. I have heard (and noticed) that for the Piedmont cards in the 150/350 print group, the cards with the 150 backs are typically bolder and more colorful than their 350 counterparts.

Are the 150 cards typically uncoated, which is why they usually look bolder and more colorful? And which surface that you refer to is smooth and roller pressed on uncoated stock...the front or the back?

Brian

The Nasty Nati · #3 03-20-2024, 12:43 PM

Did the original seller of this card ask for a lot of $? If so, I think that's a clear indicator they knew of the significance of this SL with Piedmont 350 back, hence why they may have rebacked it.

But if it sold for cheap, then it just seems strange to me why they would go through all the trouble to reback it.

Cory · #4 03-20-2024, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by The Nasty Nati

Did the original seller of this card ask for a lot of $? If so, I think that's a clear indicator they knew of the significance of this SL with Piedmont 350 back, hence why they may have rebacked it.

But if it sold for cheap, then it just seems strange to me why they would go through all the trouble to reback it.

No - I bought it for less than $100 ($60 or $70 I think). Near certain the seller I bought it from had no idea. It is definitely weird that someone went to the trouble to reback this card. My best guess is that it was just practice for higher value stuff - only issue with that is you could find cheaper fodder than southern leaguers. I'll try soaking the card to see what happens - if it splits. Maybe I get lucky and get 2 rough cards out of it.

Maybe the rebacker did this odd combination just to see if it was detected - with a 350 back I wouldn't have given it another look.

Jersey City Giants · #5 03-21-2024, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Cory

No - I bought it for less than $100 ($60 or $70 I think). Near certain the seller I bought it from had no idea. It is definitely weird that someone went to the trouble to reback this card. My best guess is that it was just practice for higher value stuff - only issue with that is you could find cheaper fodder than southern leaguers. I'll try soaking the card to see what happens - if it splits. Maybe I get lucky and get 2 rough cards out of it.

Maybe the rebacker did this odd combination just to see if it was detected - with a 350 back I wouldn't have given it another look.

Wow, then why reback the card? That is a ton of work to make zero additional dollars for a southern leaguer.

steve B · #6 03-22-2024, 09:07 AM

Part of me is sort of hoping for a Piedmont blank front....

Another impossiblity.

Cory · #7 03-22-2024, 10:11 AM

Do any blank fronts exist? I haven't had a chance to soak it yet to see what happens. I'll try to do so this evening.

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Originally Posted by steve B

Part of me is sort of hoping for a Piedmont blank front....

Another impossiblity.

steve B · #8 03-21-2024, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by brianp-beme

Thanks Steve. Another side question. The T206 Manning I shared is a Piedmont 350. I have heard (and noticed) that for the Piedmont cards in the 150/350 print group, the cards with the 150 backs are typically bolder and more colorful than their 350 counterparts.

Are the 150 cards typically uncoated, which is why they usually look bolder and more colorful? And which surface that you refer to is smooth and roller pressed on uncoated stock...the front or the back?

Brian

I haven't looked at them for that beyond noticing different stocks. My collection of them is mostly lower grade, so the coating may not be apparent on some.
One of those things I need to go through and check.

It is possible that some series are more often on coated stock.

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