"Improving" Cards: New poll

Gorditadogg · #1 03-22-2024, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowman

Welcome to Net54. Now go ask these questions of the general public (I've actually done this for fun). Nobody thinks any of this stuff is unethical outside of the hobby.

That's an odd point. I can see that people who have no interest in our hobby don't care how we manage our conduct, but I don't know how their indifference would be helpful to us.

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Snowman · #2 03-22-2024, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Gorditadogg

That's an odd point. I can see that people who have no interest in our hobby don't care how we manage our conduct, but I don't know how their indifference would be helpful to us.

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Because we often debate whether or not these actions constitute fraud. I think asking people outside the hobby (and thus a potential jury) what their viewpoints are is helpful if seeking a reality check.

Lorewalker · #3 03-22-2024, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowman

Because we often debate whether or not these actions constitute fraud. I think asking people outside the hobby (and thus a potential jury) what their viewpoints are is helpful if seeking a reality check.

Should leave this one up to any of the trial lawyers on the board but even I can address this...

Typically people who sit on a jury hear testimony and while they are not experts they have been provided two sides of an argument over a period of time. Absent doing that, people outside the hobby rendering their opinion is utterly useless and pointless.

Peter_Spaeth · #4 03-22-2024, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowman

Because we often debate whether or not these actions constitute fraud. I think asking people outside the hobby (and thus a potential jury) what their viewpoints are is helpful if seeking a reality check.

And your own bias surely doesn't enter into how you frame the questions. Not to mention you're not qualified to explain what fraud is, legally anyhow.

G1911 · #5 03-22-2024, 09:35 PM

I just asked the two closest people in my house who know nothing about baseball cards if one should disclose alterations that have been made to an item whens selling said item or if the seller should cover it up. They said it should be disclosed. Pack it up, folks, we have our answer.

Can we see how absolutely stupid of an argument this is?

Peter_Spaeth · #6 03-22-2024, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by G1911

I just asked the two closest people in my house who know nothing about baseball cards if one should disclose alterations that have been made to an item whens selling said item or if the seller should cover it up. They said it should be disclosed. Pack it up, folks, we have our answer.

Can we see how absolutely stupid of an argument this is?

You would think a data scientist would know better, I dunno.

G1911 · #7 03-22-2024, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

You would think a data scientist would know better, I dunno.

I'm a natural born sceptic, but I suspect there's also no data science in pretending you can tell if complete strangers are gamblers by your amazing intuition.

It's almost like some people just completely make things up and their justifying appeal to their self-authority is absurdist.

Lorewalker · #8 03-22-2024, 09:46 PM

There are like a half a dozen threads on the front page I could post this on but Travis, what size are you? I am buying this one for you. Use it as a reminder.

Snowman · #9 03-23-2024, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by G1911

I just asked the two closest people in my house who know nothing about baseball cards if one should disclose alterations that have been made to an item whens selling said item or if the seller should cover it up. They said it should be disclosed. Pack it up, folks, we have our answer.

Can we see how absolutely stupid of an argument this is?

There is no confusion on my part about how to phrase a question objectively so as to obtain unbiased responses. It's an important part of my job as a data scientist. Uncovering hidden biases in data is probably the single most important aspect of what I do at work every day.

Hint... This phrasing above, ain't it.

brunswickreeves · #10 03-23-2024, 05:49 AM

Perhaps time for a Court-Martial? Or even better, let�s bring this debate to the US Supreme Court. No, rather, the Augusta National Golf Club Board of Trustees!

Peter_Spaeth · #11 03-23-2024, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Snowman

There is no confusion on my part about how to phrase a question objectively so as to obtain unbiased responses. It's an important part of my job as a data scientist. Uncovering hidden biases in data is probably the single most important aspect of what I do at work every day.

Hint... This phrasing above, ain't it.

I am confident there is no way, no matter how you frame it or them, you can elicit a meaningful answer from an outsider about the subject of alteration in one or a few questions.

Lorewalker · #12 03-23-2024, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I am confident there is no way, no matter how you frame it or them, you can elicit a meaningful answer from an outsider about the subject of alteration in one or a few questions.

Think about how fast trials would go if they were all conducted by snowman. I am all in favor of this if it meant I would no longer be required to participate in jury duty.

G1911 · #13 03-23-2024, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowman

There is no confusion on my part about how to phrase a question objectively so as to obtain unbiased responses. It's an important part of my job as a data scientist. Uncovering hidden biases in data is probably the single most important aspect of what I do at work every day.

Hint... This phrasing above, ain't it.

Yes I'm sure the guy who mostly dedicates himself to here to functioning as PWCC's PR department and incredible arrogance assigning himself godly powers to discern at a great remove other peoples habits he knows nothing about whatsoever is an objective questioner and conducted a scientific study that will hold up to standard

Lorewalker · #14 03-23-2024, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by G1911

Yes I'm sure the guy who mostly dedicates himself to here to functioning as PWCC's PR department and incredible arrogance assigning himself godly powers to discern at a great remove other peoples habits he knows nothing about whatsoever is an objective questioner and conducted a scientific study that will hold up to standard

If you keep this up you might earn yourself a gfy and not 1 but 2 aggro PMs but ya have to wait until the wee hours of the morning for those...between 2 and 3 AM PST.

View Poll Results: Am I unethical if I? SEE THREAD FOR COMPLETE QUESTION
Bend corners back	29	19.46%
Rub off wax with panty hose	17	11.41%
Erase pencil marks	51	34.23%
Soak cards to remove glue, dirt or stains	42	28.19%
Use acetone to remove ink or grime	96	64.43%
Use other chemicals to clean and/or brighten card	110	73.83%
Fix creases and/or pinholes with Kurt's magic spray	118	79.19%
Use a black marker on the corners of my 1971 Topps	138	92.62%
Trim off the fuzzy edges of the card	122	81.88%
BONUS: Am I unethical if I submit my work to PSA and they grade it	77	51.68%
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