"Improving" Cards: New poll

Snowman · #1 03-23-2024, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by G1911

I just asked the two closest people in my house who know nothing about baseball cards if one should disclose alterations that have been made to an item whens selling said item or if the seller should cover it up. They said it should be disclosed. Pack it up, folks, we have our answer.

Can we see how absolutely stupid of an argument this is?

There is no confusion on my part about how to phrase a question objectively so as to obtain unbiased responses. It's an important part of my job as a data scientist. Uncovering hidden biases in data is probably the single most important aspect of what I do at work every day.

Hint... This phrasing above, ain't it.

brunswickreeves · #2 03-23-2024, 05:49 AM

Perhaps time for a Court-Martial? Or even better, let�s bring this debate to the US Supreme Court. No, rather, the Augusta National Golf Club Board of Trustees!

Peter_Spaeth · #3 03-23-2024, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Snowman

There is no confusion on my part about how to phrase a question objectively so as to obtain unbiased responses. It's an important part of my job as a data scientist. Uncovering hidden biases in data is probably the single most important aspect of what I do at work every day.

Hint... This phrasing above, ain't it.

I am confident there is no way, no matter how you frame it or them, you can elicit a meaningful answer from an outsider about the subject of alteration in one or a few questions.

Lorewalker · #4 03-23-2024, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I am confident there is no way, no matter how you frame it or them, you can elicit a meaningful answer from an outsider about the subject of alteration in one or a few questions.

Think about how fast trials would go if they were all conducted by snowman. I am all in favor of this if it meant I would no longer be required to participate in jury duty.

Peter_Spaeth · #5 03-23-2024, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Lorewalker

Think about how fast trials would go if they were all conducted by snowman. I am all in favor of this if it meant I would no longer be required to participate in jury duty.

In the real world there are jury consulting firms who do focus groups, help structure mock trials, etc. to help lawyers gain insight into how a jury might react to a case. Who knew it was as simple as having a data scientist ask a couple of (undoubtedly unbiased) questions.

Lorewalker · #6 03-23-2024, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

In the real world there are jury consulting firms who do focus groups, help structure mock trials, etc. to help lawyers gain insight into how a jury might react to a case. Who knew it was as simple as having a data scientist ask a couple of (undoubtedly unbiased) questions.

That was then, this is now. You might have to become a professional gambler now and give up that law degree. Are you prepared?

carlsonjok · #7 03-23-2024, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

In the real world there are jury consulting firms who do focus groups, help structure mock trials, etc. to help lawyers gain insight into how a jury might react to a case. Who knew it was as simple as having a data scientist ask a couple of (undoubtedly unbiased) questions.

I don't really have a dog in this hunt but I am surprised that, as a lawyer, you took Snowman's word at face value and didn't recognize that he may have deployed a classic argument from authority. He may very well have experience creating and administering opinion polls to the public, but his LinkedIn profile indicates significant experience mainly working with complex data sets. I am not a data scientist, but I know enough statistics to know they are very different disciplines.

Peter_Spaeth · #8 03-23-2024, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by carlsonjok

I don't really have a dog in this hunt but I am surprised that, as a lawyer, you took Snowman's word at face value and didn't recognize that he may have deployed a classic argument from authority. He may very well have experience creating and administering opinion polls to the public, but his LinkedIn profile indicates significant experience mainly working with complex data sets. I am not a data scientist, but I know enough statistics to know they are very different disciplines.

Who took his word at face value? I've done nothing but call BS on him.

Snowman · #9 03-24-2024, 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by carlsonjok

I am not a data scientist, but I know enough statistics to know they are very different disciplines.

This is of course, nonsense. They are nearly one and the same discipline. Every graduate-level data science program in the country requires numerous statistics courses. And many statistics programs offer two tracks - biostatistics or data science. The only difference is that a data scientist is a statistician with coding skills.

carlsonjok · #10 03-24-2024, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Snowman

This is of course, nonsense. They are nearly one and the same discipline. Every graduate-level data science program in the country requires numerous statistics courses. And many statistics programs offer two tracks - biostatistics or data science. The only difference is that a data scientist is a statistician with coding skills.

Nearly is doing a lot of work right there. Constructing a polling question is not the same as writing an SQL script and the resulting data set differs in size from a large database by several orders of magnitude. As has been pointed out upthread, your arguments here rest on repetition of your job title and not by laying out cogent and accessible arguments.

You might want to consider that, when faced with a group that universally disagrees with you, there are explanations other than that they obviously are unable to appreciate your brilliance.

But, this is getting pretty far afield from the intent of the thread and I have to pack for an early flight to attend a business conference. So, I will concede to you the point the one thing you seem to covet: the last word.

raulus · #11 03-23-2024, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Lorewalker

Think about how fast trials would go if they were all conducted by snowman. I am all in favor of this if it meant I would no longer be required to participate in jury duty.

There�s also this prediction that has yet to come to fruition.

Snowman · #12 03-23-2024, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by raulus

There�s also this prediction that has yet to come to fruition.

ChatGPT did pass the bar exam though...

G1911 · #13 03-23-2024, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowman

There is no confusion on my part about how to phrase a question objectively so as to obtain unbiased responses. It's an important part of my job as a data scientist. Uncovering hidden biases in data is probably the single most important aspect of what I do at work every day.

Hint... This phrasing above, ain't it.

Yes I'm sure the guy who mostly dedicates himself to here to functioning as PWCC's PR department and incredible arrogance assigning himself godly powers to discern at a great remove other peoples habits he knows nothing about whatsoever is an objective questioner and conducted a scientific study that will hold up to standard

Lorewalker · #14 03-23-2024, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by G1911

Yes I'm sure the guy who mostly dedicates himself to here to functioning as PWCC's PR department and incredible arrogance assigning himself godly powers to discern at a great remove other peoples habits he knows nothing about whatsoever is an objective questioner and conducted a scientific study that will hold up to standard

If you keep this up you might earn yourself a gfy and not 1 but 2 aggro PMs but ya have to wait until the wee hours of the morning for those...between 2 and 3 AM PST.

G1911 · #15 03-23-2024, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Lorewalker

If you keep this up you might earn yourself a gfy and not 1 but 2 aggro PMs but ya have to wait until the wee hours of the morning for those...between 2 and 3 AM PST.

Well this is obviously correct of him to do, because he is a data scientist with perfect intuition and the main character, after all. Everyone else is always wrong, without any need for evidence or actually looking at the thing in question or even considering if the thing he is claiming is even humanly possible whatsoever, because the appeal to his ego is paramount.

This clown claiming he can detect heavy gamblers he has never met or interacted with or seen by his gut intuition with great accuracy is possibly the stupidest brag I have ever seen on this board.

Lorewalker · #16 03-23-2024, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by G1911

Well this is obviously correct of him to do, because he is a data scientist with perfect intuition and the main character, after all. Everyone else is always wrong, without any need for evidence or actually looking at the thing in question or even considering if the thing he is claiming is even humanly possible whatsoever, because the appeal to his ego is paramount.

This clown claiming he can detect heavy gamblers he has never met or interacted with or seen by his gut intuition with great accuracy is possibly the stupidest brag I have ever seen on this board.

As to his incredible intuition on the gambling behaviors of people he will never meet, he says he has been a gambler for more than a decade or was that decades? Anyway, since he was 9...How long have you been gambling where you can question the validity of his in depth characterization of Ohtani?

Snowman is our board's Most Interesting Snowman In The World...Stay thirsty my friends.

bnorth · #17 03-23-2024, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by G1911

Well this is obviously correct of him to do, because he is a data scientist with perfect intuition and the main character, after all. Everyone else is always wrong, without any need for evidence or actually looking at the thing in question or even considering if the thing he is claiming is even humanly possible whatsoever, because the appeal to his ego is paramount.

This clown claiming he can detect heavy gamblers he has never met or interacted with or seen by his gut intuition with great accuracy is possibly the stupidest brag I have ever seen on this board.

All I know was I was expecting his poker winnings to be way more than reported on the poker sites with all his knowledge/intuition.

Lorewalker · #18 03-23-2024, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by bnorth

All I know was I was expecting his poker winnings to be way more than reported on the poker sites with all his knowledge/intuition.

Ben, those totals are not adjusted for inflation.

G1911 · #19 03-23-2024, 06:40 PM

I'm not in support of estalking. I can tell he's full of shit easily enough when he claims to have impossible powers and tells blatant lies he can't support to defend his favorite fraudsters

. I love free speech over everything, but it would be nice if this idiot would at least try to keep his claims plausible instead of going over-the-top with the senseless ego babble not a single person is going to believe. It's like a four year old who doesn't understand there is an objective reality outside their internal narrative.

Snowman · #20 03-24-2024, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by G1911

This clown claiming he can detect heavy gamblers he has never met or interacted with or seen by his gut intuition with great accuracy is possibly the stupidest brag I have ever seen on this board.

Do you realize how stupid you look right now? Anyone who has spent decades of their life entrenched in the gambling world can easily identify the traits of a gambling addict. It's not a super power or a brag. It's no different from a bartender with 20 years of experience being able to identify an alcoholic.

Peter_Spaeth · #21 03-24-2024, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Snowman

Do you realize how stupid you look right now? Anyone who has spent decades of their life entrenched in the gambling world can easily identify the traits of a gambling addict. It's not a super power or a brag. It's no different from a bartender with 20 years of experience being able to identify an alcoholic.

A bartender could not tell an alcoholic from the way he "carries himself" on TV.

Lorewalker · #22 03-24-2024, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

A bartender could not tell an alcoholic from the way he "carries himself" on TV.

We don't know that for sure. If that bartender also has a grad degree in data science and has coding skills, he too might have the same super power that snowman has.

G1911 · #23 03-24-2024, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowman

Do you realize how stupid you look right now? Anyone who has spent decades of their life entrenched in the gambling world can easily identify the traits of a gambling addict. It's not a super power or a brag. It's no different from a bartender with 20 years of experience being able to identify an alcoholic.

A bartender cannot identify an alcoholic they have never even met and have no experience with. A gambler cannot tell a gambler they have never even met based on absolutely nothing but their immense ego.

Having experience in a category does not mean you can just magically discern people excessively into it based on absolutely nothing.

This is the stupidest garbage that has hit the main board in a long time. Your schtick would do a lot better if you cut off the top 20% of your vain bullshit that has nothing to do with reality.

Lorewalker · #24 03-24-2024, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by G1911

Having experience in a category does not mean you can just magically discern people excessively into it based on absolutely nothing.

There is a certain amount, granted it is a very large amount, of disbelief one must suspend in engaging with Travis. I would hope this is just a game for him and not the way he actually conducts himself outside of here.

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Originally Posted by G1911

This is the stupidest garbage that has hit the main board in a long time.

More accurately, this is the stupidest garbage that has hit the main board since his last time. This is not his first performance and it will not be his last.

Peter_Spaeth · #25 03-24-2024, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by G1911

A bartender cannot identify an alcoholic they have never even met and have no experience with. A gambler cannot tell a gambler they have never even met based on absolutely nothing but their immense ego.

Having experience in a category does not mean you can just magically discern people excessively into it based on absolutely nothing.

This is the stupidest garbage that has hit the main board in a long time. Your schtick would do a lot better if you cut off the top 20% of your vain bullshit that has nothing to do with reality.

No no you don't get it, it's based on how Shohei "carries himself."

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