Kurt's Card Care

bnorth · #1 04-23-2024, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BillyCoxDodgers3B

There's also a healthy dose of hypocrisy that abounds (unless everyone here collects and trades exclusively in raw cards). Hmm, I'm not hearing the sound of a single slab bening cracked. Surprise, surprise.

Sure is. I have many many thousands of cards and maybe 10-12 graded cards. Is that too many?

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Originally Posted by 4815162342

I don�t follow. Are you saying raw cards are somehow less susceptible to card doctoring fraud? And how would cracking out cards alleviate this?

I believe he is referring to those that complain about grading but collect mainly high grade PSA cards. If so I also find it hilarious. If not it is far from the first time I am wrong.

Lorewalker · #2 04-23-2024, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by bnorth

I believe he is referring to those that complain about grading but collect mainly high grade PSA cards. If so I also find it hilarious. If not it is far from the first time I am wrong.

Card altering is far from limited to high grade cards so not sure what the anonymous guy was referring to. Also fail to see any hypocrisy by those who have posted here being against card altering. To boot there are plenty of ungraded cards out there for sale that are altered. One just has to look on eBay.

Peter_Spaeth · #3 04-23-2024, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Lorewalker

Card altering is far from limited to high grade cards so not sure what the anonymous guy was referring to. Also fail to see any hypocrisy by those who have posted here being against card altering. To boot there are plenty of ungraded cards out there for sale that are altered. One just has to look on eBay.

I have no issue with it if that's what people want to do, but I have never understood why removing a card from a slab is some sort of virtuous act.

Lorewalker · #4 04-23-2024, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I have no issue with it if that's what people want to do, but I have never understood why removing a card from a slab is some sort of virtuous act.

First, I am not sure if the comment he made was directed at people who have posted here being against card altering or those who have written they are against the failure of the seller to disclose the efforts made to clean up a card upon offering the card for sale.

But I agree, I am not sure how one is not a hypocrite if they buy a graded card and break it out but they are if they don't break it out. In both cases that buyer is supporting grading. And it implies or suggests that buying raw somehow makes you immune from buying an altered card...at the end of the day I guess you cannot be labeled a hypocrite so there is that.

bnorth · #5 04-23-2024, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Lorewalker

First, I am not sure if the comment he made was directed at people who have posted here being against card altering or those who have written they are against the failure of the seller to disclose the efforts made to clean up a card upon offering the card for sale.

But I agree, I am not sure how one is not a hypocrite if they buy a graded card and break it out but they are if they don't break it out. In both cases that buyer is supporting grading. And it implies or suggests that buying raw somehow makes you immune from buying an altered card...at the end of the day I guess you cannot be labeled a hypocrite so there is that.

I guess if you just focus on cracking out cards it does seem weird.

I more believe it to be people that constantly complain about PSAs horrible grading but collect PSA graded cards, those that complain about the AHs but buy most of their cards there, switch out AH with eBay, or those that complain about shill bidding but post about buying/consigning with known shillers. I see it as more like those examples.

Peter_Spaeth · #6 04-23-2024, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by bnorth

I guess if you just focus on cracking out cards it does seem weird.

I more believe it to be people that constantly complain about PSAs horrible grading but collect PSA graded cards, those that complain about the AHs but buy most of their cards there, switch out AH with eBay, or those that complain about shill bidding but post about buying/consigning with known shillers. I see it as more like those examples.

So unless I only buy raw cards on the BST, or from anonymous locals at shows, I can't be pure?

G1911 · #7 04-23-2024, 11:37 PM

As it is not only possible but common to collect, trade and sell raw cards honestly and it is not only possible but common to collect, trade and sell graded cards honestly, I don't get any logic behind this new complaint. I wouldn't expect much logic though, there has to be something thrown in to attempt to delegitimize any advocacy of honesty and disclosure regardless of how little sense it makes. I'm sure we'll be back to pretending that taking 2 seconds to disclose the truth of a card when selling is just so complicated tomorrow.

Casey2296 · #8 04-24-2024, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

So unless I only buy raw cards on the BST, or from anonymous locals at shows, I can't be pure?

This is why I only collect pre-war cards in the 1-5 range, give me caramel and tobacco stains, bumped corners, and wide borders any day of the week. Anything over a 6 is suspect to me.

Lorewalker · #9 04-24-2024, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by bnorth

I guess if you just focus on cracking out cards it does seem weird.

I more believe it to be people that constantly complain about PSAs horrible grading but collect PSA graded cards, those that complain about the AHs but buy most of their cards there, switch out AH with eBay, or those that complain about shill bidding but post about buying/consigning with known shillers. I see it as more like those examples.

I just don't see this as black and white as that. And not sure the anonymous guy knows each of our buying habits, etc...only snowman has that ability...to make such a generalized statement.

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