Harrison Butker graduation speech

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

I don't think this event is the flashpoint for all these other issues you're bringing up. People are upset with him for his choice of venue as much as they're upset with what he said.

On a very practical level, he's saying that motherhood and homemaking are a woman's highest callings, but he's saying these things in front of a large population of nuns who made very different decisions about their callings.

He can make whatever choice he wants, that's not the issue of course, it's both the venue and that he wants to impose his values on others. I too fail to see what Hamas or transgenders in sports have to do with it.

[JustinD]

I am not taking a side here people as everyone is allowed their own beliefs and chosen path in life. I am only wondering if anyone actually read the transcript of the speech?

It certainly isn't perfect but it fit the audience and the text really seems vastly different than the media portrayal on this one. I am not much of a religious man but was raised Catholic and there is nothing here outside the box of what I heard in sermons growing up on Sunday. (Perhaps the brow beatings are a bit why I am not very religious, but I have come to not care what other people choose to do in my old age)

As for this being some vastly sexist speech as I have been told for days now...well after seeing the text, other than one awkwardly phrased sentence the rest seems somewhat dedicated to how he is only able to succeed due to the effort and sacrifice of his wife.

I am using this source FYI as it really is the only one I saw on google that was not honestly filled with the additional personal opinions of the writer...it's simply just a transcript. (I figured I would address that as I am sure someone will comment on the site)

https://www.ncregister.com/news/harr...at-benedictine

[Peter_Spaeth]

This was quoted accurately.

Not the deadly sin sort of pride that has an entire month dedicated to it,

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

This was quoted accurately.

Not the deadly sin sort of pride that has an entire month dedicated to it,

Yes, that is. But again, it's the stand of much of the Catholic Church prior to the current Pope. It's not just him on a soapbox in Central Park, it's addressing a specific group.

Also, this track of thought is not my bag...it's why I chose my own path of belief. I just thought it a bit strange that the reaction is pointed as though he said it on the Tonight Show and not a extremely strict Catholic University.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by JustinD

Yes, that is. But again, it's the stand of much of the Catholic Church prior to the current Pope. It's not just him on a soapbox in Central Park, it's addressing a specific group.

Also, this track of thought is not my bag...it's why I chose my own path of belief. I just thought it a bit strange that the reaction is pointed as though he said it on the Tonight Show and not a extremely strict Catholic University.

Why does the audience make it any better? Would preaching racist filth to an audience of KKK members make it less pernicious? To me, it's a man with some stature in the community due to his athletic accomplishments making an anti-gay remark. Period.

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Why does the audience make it any better? Would preaching racist filth to an audience of KKK members make it less pernicious? To me, it's a man with some stature in the community due to his athletic accomplishments making an anti-gay remark. Period.

I am not defending his statements I don't believe in, only his right to say them.

There has been a lot going on it the past 8 months of people yelling horrifically awful things against others they have no idea about and attacking them in ways that infuriate me. I would like it to not happen but the solution to making that happen could be far worse in the long run than verbal altercations.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Sure, he can say whatever he wants, but so can his critics.

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by JustinD

I am not taking a side here people as everyone is allowed their own beliefs and chosen path in life. I am only wondering if anyone actually read the transcript of the speech?

It certainly isn't perfect but it fit the audience and the text really seems vastly different than the media portrayal on this one. I am not much of a religious man but was raised Catholic and there is nothing here outside the box of what I heard in sermons growing up on Sunday. (Perhaps the brow beatings are a bit why I am not very religious, but I have come to not care what other people choose to do in my old age)

As for this being some vastly sexist speech as I have been told for days now...well after seeing the text, other than one awkwardly phrased sentence the rest seems somewhat dedicated to how he is only able to succeed due to the effort and sacrifice of his wife.

I am using this source FYI as it really is the only one I saw on google that was not honestly filled with the additional personal opinions of the writer...it's simply just a transcript. (I figured I would address that as I am sure someone will comment on the site)

https://www.ncregister.com/news/harr...at-benedictine

+1 well said. I'm probably a little too emotional on this subject and appreciate your balanced view.

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

He can make whatever choice he wants, that's not the issue of course, it's both the venue and that he wants to impose his values on others. I too fail to see what Hamas or transgenders in sports have to do with it.

Peter, my comments are directed at the cancel culture critics of his speech. They really have no credibility to call for ruining the life of a man, his wife, and children on the grounds of sexism when they won't lift a finger to protect young women in sports and private spaces from men invading them.
I must be living on a different planet but I was raised to make sure women were protected, respected, and givin equal opportunity, which includes a traditional relationship and Title 9 protections
I find it truly disconcerting that the all inclusive left gets triggered when folks choose an alternative lifestyle to their norm. Because when it counted folks like me made sure that same sex couples and Jews were protected.
And that upsets me.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

Peter, my comments are directed at the cancel culture critics of his speech. They really have no credibility to call for ruining the life of a man, his wife, and children on the grounds of sexism when they won't lift a finger to protect young women in sports and private spaces from men invading them.
I must be living on a different planet but I was raised to make sure women were protected, respected, and givin equal opportunity, which includes a traditional relationship and Title 9 protections
I find it truly disconcerting that the all inclusive left gets triggered when folks choose an alternative lifestyle to their norm. Because when it counted folks like me made sure that same sex couples and Jews were protected.
And that upsets me.

OK I get it, but I was not intending to endorse the cancel culture, I was just voicing a critique of his remarks insofar as I thought they were sexist and anti-gay. But I'm not calling for him to be fired or silenced or whatever people out there want.

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

OK I get it, but I was not intending to endorse the cancel culture, I was just voicing a critique of his remarks insofar as I thought they were sexist and anti-gay. But I'm not calling for him to be fired or silenced or whatever people out there want.

I was raised on a lower middle class block that included Brown, Black, Asian, Irainian folks, we lived next to Wally and Chuck, who were the nicest couple you could imagine. You know why? They had a pool and let the kids swim when it was hot. They also brought awesome food to block events.

Nobody cared what they did in their bedroom, something like that wouldn't even compute back then. They also didn't get weird about their lifestyle or demand that everyone embrace it. We were just normal folks respecting each other for our differences and embracing our common humanity.

I would posit that if this guy was your next door neighbor you would have more in common than not, and an underlying respect for each other.

What the progressive left is doing now and weaponizing cancel culture is unconscionable imho.

[cgjackson222]

Phil, it sounds like you had some great experiences as a child, and witnessed first hand how people of diverse backgrounds can get along just fine. Wally and Chuck sound like generous, great people.

I think the problem some have with Butker's speech is that he referred to Wally and Chuck's lifestyle as a "deadly sin". I think it can be a problem to refer to entire populations of people as sinners.

While the backlash against Butker can be labeled as just another example of liberal cancel culture, I think that some people just want to stand up for the Wally and Chuck's of the world and move away from the harsh treatment of gays that has often stemmed from the line of thinking that they their lifestyle is a sin, or wrong.

It may also be worth noting that cancel culture is not a one-sided thing. There are people on both sides of the aisle trying to cancel things that they don't like. https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...e/70188510007/

[Peter_Spaeth]

If the country or even most of it was like Phil's block we would all be much better off. But there are so many indications that we are not even close to being there, and the speech ("deadly sin") is just one more. I doubt Butker is some off the charts extremist in his views. See Mike Johnson, for example.

[Leon]

When my wife and I started a family I wanted her to be a homemaker. She was great with it. She had a degree but not a technical one. It worked perfectly for us but, to each their own. Overall, I agree with Phil (hi Phil) on this subject.

And Butker's speech was awesome excepting for a few things. We need more of him and much, much less of Kelce...
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