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bigfanNY · #1 05-22-2024, 02:45 PM

Well if PSA are the Experts here.. let's remember they Originally certified this ball as a 1954 Braves team ball. But lets look at what they call the ball Now
A 1954 Braves and Red Sox Spring training ball
... pretty much what I am calling it. What Sig Auctions called it.. and what it is.
Morton could have signed it any time he was in camp with the Red Sox. Same with all the other signatures on the ball. That's how it goes when collecting autographs during spring training. You get em when you can.

I fully understand that dating the ball to a specific game might increase the value.again ....might..maybe. But everything we know says this is a spring training ball. Will more research prove that all the signatures were applied to the ball on March 10 1954......no it will not even prove that Guy Mortan signed it on March 10th.
The original collector coded the balls and those codes might tell us more if you can track down some autograph collectors who purchased some of the large lots from Sig.. But I think the codes are gonna say 1954 Spring training Braves and Red Sox. But good luck with any future research.

Fandom0610 · #2 05-22-2024, 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigfanNY

Well if PSA are the Experts here.. let's remember they Originally certified this ball as a 1954 Braves team ball. But lets look at what they call the ball Now
A 1954 Braves and Red Sox Spring training ball
... pretty much what I am calling it. What Sig Auctions called it.. and what it is.
Morton could have signed it any time he was in camp with the Red Sox. Same with all the other signatures on the ball. That's how it goes when collecting autographs during spring training. You get em when you can.

I fully understand that dating the ball to a specific game might increase the value.again ....might..maybe. But everything we know says this is a spring training ball. Will more research prove that all the signatures were applied to the ball on March 10 1954......no it will not even prove that Guy Mortan signed it on March 10th.
The original collector coded the balls and those codes might tell us more if you can track down some autograph collectors who purchased some of the large lots from Sig..

I think there's a miscommunication from what I'm saying. Guy Morton was not in camp with the red sox after that March 10th game. He was sent to North Carolina to play in the Minors. And PSA isn't calling it a "Braves AND Red sox" ball. They're calling it a "Braves VS Red Sox" ball. There is absolutely no dates or places you provided that Guy Morton was to sign the ball. I have provided a Date, roster and place that Ben flowers (who pitched that game, Guy Morton (who was the catcher that game) , Henry Aaron (Who hit that day) were all together in the same place to sign the ball. After that they all went their separate ways. I can understand now that I have the ball why you would be reluctant to refute the evidence knowing the value it would carry. Wouldn't make sense for the collector to go to a random North Carolina patriots game just to get Guy Mortons signature after he was sent down.

Fandom0610 · #3 05-22-2024, 03:04 PM

But none of us were there to know 100% and in this hobby alot of things get authenticated with what the most evidence points to. March 10th 1954 was the game that all those players were there and accessible. The players in question were all playing together that day. Red sox VS Braves in Florida. I think it's highly likely it was signed that day at least by Henry, Ben flowers and Guy Morton.

Fandom0610 · #4 05-22-2024, 03:19 PM

Psa

bigfanNY · #5 05-22-2024, 03:19 PM

The old....Other memorabilia items have been certified with less...

COMBINED WITH ...Your words

"Almost everybody who signed the ball was at the game March 10th"]

So other soulless shit slingers have tossed less crap on a wall and some of it stuck...so why shouldn't I belive my crap will stick?

Why not lead with not everyone who signed the ball was there on March 10th 1954?

bigfanNY · #6 05-22-2024, 03:35 PM

I see you edited your post from today at 4:04 to remove your quote. Nice..

This is 2022 Letter from PSA calling it a 1954 Milwaukee team ball. Despite me saying it was a spring training ball with Braves and Red Sox.

But again you have this letter..

Fandom0610 · #7 05-23-2024, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigfanNY

The old....Other memorabilia items have been certified with less...

COMBINED WITH ...Your words

"Almost everybody who signed the ball was at the game March 10th"]

So other soulless shit slingers have tossed less crap on a wall and some of it stuck...so why shouldn't I belive my crap will stick?

Why not lead with not everyone who signed the ball was there on March 10th 1954?

Ok here it goes "EVERYONE WHO SIGNED THE BALL WAS THERE ON MARCH 10TH 1954".

I seriously doubt the collector got Guy Morton's signature after that March 10th game when he was playing in North Carolina with the patriots when everyone on that ball was a active red sox/braves players. If you had ANYTHING to back up your claims I would be all ears, but I haven't seen one shred of evidence to back up what you're saying. Is it that you don't want it be from that date? There is a very high probability it was signed March 10th with all the evidence I have found. Of course I don't know 100% because I wasn't there obviously but with the evidence I do have its highly likely

GoCubsGo32 · #8 05-24-2024, 12:16 PM

Welcome to NET54!

Awesome research & sweet early Aaron auto baseball!

On the topic of the Aaron ball, based on info above and some research on my own...

During the 1954 Spring Training & Exhib, Braves played Red Sox 8 times. x2 in March x6 in April
https://www.ebay.com/itm/38702336173...Bk9SR_Tr67L1Yw

Probably the dates I would focus most on is March 10th Braves vs. Red Sox Sarasota,FL & March 22nd Red Sox vs. Braves Bradenton, FL

Did Morton play in the March 22nd game? Even if wasn't he might of still been in camp based on what you mention from a March 25 newspaper he was sent down.

To me, as of now, hard to prove Aaron sign the ball on March 10th or March 22nd?

The side auto panel that has Aaron order goes...
Floyd Baker-Sox,
Jim Pendleton- Braves,
Bob Buhl- Braves
Henry Aaron-Braves
Bill Henry- Sox

With auto team style balls based on my experience, it's tough to catch and get everyone to sign in one day(hard, but not impossible for 24 players). I don't know where the original owner lived (local) or what they did, but Sarasota,FL & Bradenton, FL is only roughly 30 mins apart. Could of gotten some autographs from the March 10th game, then finished it up March 22nd.

Overall, it's a super nice very early Aaron and I would agree the ball is highly likely from March 1954.

Since this turned into an Aaron topic...it's now an Aaron photo section

Hank Aaron March 19th, 1956 New York Yankees vs. Milwaukee Braves in Bradenton, FL

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