Final UPDATE. PSA Guarantee on a doctored card - Actual good news this time

[TiffanyCards]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Another lie. You know damn well that PSA's images are garbage. Admit it, you first saw the images from the bottom row of my comparison collage above (the images which accurately represent the card), but those weren't good enough for you, so you went to the PSA website to see if you could dig up some worse images that might better fit your narrative.

I’m not sure what you are even talking about. You seem to be flailing all over the place. When would I have seen your image collage?? At least we agree that they are in fact the same card. If you want, then I would be happy to discuss the differences I pointed out in the images with you. In not a single post did I mention anything about bleaching. Who is attacking you or manipulating images?? I never said this was your card.

Even if we use your images from your collage, you can clearly see the stain on the top right border is no longer present on the cert 76513639. Where did the stain go??? The stain has been removed. Which is why this card was added to the altered card database.


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[Snowman]

Originally Posted by TiffanyCards

I’m not sure what you are even talking about. You seem to be flailing all over the place. When would I have seen your image collage?? At least we agree that they are in fact the same card. If you want, then I would be happy to discuss the differences I pointed out in the images with you. In not a single post did I mention anything about bleaching. Who is attacking you or manipulating images?? I never said this was your card.

Even if we use your images from your collage, you can clearly see the stain on the top right border is no longer present on the cert 76513639. Where did the stain go??? The stain has been removed. Which is why this card was added to the altered card database.

Here you go again with your disingenuous deceptive bullshit. Just admit that you intentionally chose the washed-out-looking PSA scan and the dirty looking prior PSA scan instead of the PWCC scan because they were a better fit for your agenda and it make it appear as though the card has been chemically bleached when it in fact has not.

[TiffanyCards]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Here you go again with your disingenuous deceptive bullshit. Just admit that you intentionally chose the washed-out-looking PSA scan and the dirty looking prior PSA scan instead of the PWCC scan because they were a better fit for your agenda and it make it appear as though the card has been chemically bleached when it in fact has not.

When asked by Peter_Spaeth "So Travis bought it already cleaned?" you replied, "Yes, that is correct." So you acknowledge that the card has been cleaned. Why are you continuing with the false narrative that the images are manipulated?? If you have a problem with PSA images, then take it up with them. Again your own images show the stain had been removed from the card.

Now, please get back on the topic of labeling cards that are on the altered card database. Let's see your mock up!

[Carter08]

Just trying to catch up on this one and apologize for not going through everything. Is the dispute over whether the Jackie currently has that discoloration in the upper right or whether its removal constitutes alteration or something else?

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Carter08

Just trying to catch up on this one and apologize for not going through everything. Is the dispute over whether the Jackie currently has that discoloration in the upper right or whether its removal constitutes alteration or something else?

Tiffany wanted to "out" me for bleaching/altering a card that hasn't even been bleached and that wasn't even cleaned by me. She will try to disingenuously claim that she never said it was bleached, but we all know why she chose those scans instead of the ones that show what the card actually looks like. Just another classic hit job by the hobby princess.

[TiffanyCards]

Originally Posted by Carter08

Just trying to catch up on this one and apologize for not going through everything. Is the dispute over whether the Jackie currently has that discoloration in the upper right or whether its removal constitutes alteration or something else?

Snowman said he wanted to make stickers to be placed on cards that are on the altered card database. I provided him a card that is on the altered card database that he can make his mock up sticker for.

Snowman disagreed with the images I posted (which came from PSA), so he then posted his own images. I think he is trying to show that the card has not been improved by removing the stain, but even his own images show that the stain is gone. Hopefully, his own images will be enough for him to finally stop going off on a tangent and refocus back to creating a sticker.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by TiffanyCards

Now, please get back on the topic of labeling cards that are on the altered card database. Let's see your mock up!

Excellent! Now that you've accurately represented the card, perhaps we should discuss what is and is not an alteration since you claim to be maintaining a database of "altered" cards. As we all know, soaking a vintage card in water and letting it dry is not an alteration. So why is this card in your database again?

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Excellent! Now that you've accurately represented the card, perhaps we should discuss what is and is not an alteration since you claim to be maintaining a database of "altered" cards. As we all know, soaking a vintage card in water and letting it dry is not an alteration. So why is this card in your database again?

No not everyone just those that do it claim that.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by bnorth

No not everyone just those that do it claim that.

And those that grade them and whose opinions actually matter. Soaking a vintage card in water has always been an acceptable practice by every grading company whether you like it or not.

[TiffanyCards]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Excellent! Now that you've accurately represented the card, perhaps we should discuss what is and is not an alteration since you claim to be maintaining a database of "altered" cards. As we all know, soaking a vintage card in water and letting it dry is not an alteration. So why is this card in your database again?

We do not know what the card was soaked in. You said that you did not clean the card. Based on the before and after pictures the card does show evidence of being altered. I hope that the card was not soaked in tap water, even Kurt has said to never do that. Based on PSAs most recent comments even soaking a card in water is not acceptable. Therefore, the card was added to the altered card database.

The altered card database is not the judge, jury or executioner as to what is or isn't an altered card. That role belongs to the person that wants to purchase the card. The altered card database is an educational tool that provide collectors with information about cards.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by TiffanyCards

We do not know what the card was soaked in.

False

Originally Posted by TiffanyCards

You said that you did not clean the card.

True

Originally Posted by TiffanyCards

Based on the before and after pictures the card does show evidence of being altered.

False

Originally Posted by TiffanyCards

I hope that the card was not soaked in tap water

It was not

Originally Posted by TiffanyCards

even Kurt has said to never do that.

Since when did you start listening to Kurt's opinions?

Originally Posted by TiffanyCards

Based on PSAs most recent comments even soaking a card in water is not acceptable.

False

Originally Posted by TiffanyCards

Therefore, the card was added to the altered card database.

True

Originally Posted by TiffanyCards

The altered card database is not the judge, jury or executioner as to what is or isn't an altered card.

Really? You don't say. And here I was thinking it mattered. Boy do I feel silly.

Originally Posted by TiffanyCards

That role belongs to the person that wants to purchase the card. The altered card database is an educational tool that provide collectors with information about cards.

It sounds awesome! I'll let you know what I find in there just as soon as it finishes loading (it's currently at 4 min 27 seconds and counting...)

[TiffanyCards]

We do not know what the card was soaked in.

Originally Posted by Snowman

False

Response: Only the person that cleaned the card knows what it was soaked in. Please share with us who cleaned the card, so that they can confirm what they soaked it in.




Based on the before and after pictures the card does show evidence of being altered.

Originally Posted by Snowman

False

Response: Before and After pics show a stain removed. Are you disputing your own images?




Based on PSAs most recent comments even soaking a card in water is not acceptable.

Originally Posted by Snowman

False

"We are fine with blowing on it or using a dab of water or using microfiber to clean it," said Ryan Hoge, president of Collectors, parent company of PSA. "But when you are doing much more, we are not on board." https://www.cllct.com/sports-collect...ing-rejections




Good news, we are making progress. However, we are all still waiting for your sticker.