Safeguards at shows

notfast · #1 07-13-2024, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by samosa4u

Any dealers that mostly have high-end stuff should be put in a different part of the building where there is more security. You will also need to show two pieces of government-issued ID in order to get in and out of the high-end section. This isn't the perfect solution, but it will definitely make a big difference IMO.

I can�t tell if this is serious or sarcasm.

samosa4u · #2 07-15-2024, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by notfast

I can�t tell if this is serious or sarcasm.

I'm being serious ...

When I attend a show, I will see one dealer with a Ruth, DiMaggio, Cobbs, Mantles, etc. and the guy next to him has garbage, and the one next to him is selling UltraPro stuff, and the one next to him selling baseball commons, and the one next to him mango juice ... who do you think needs the security?

The high-rollers need to be separated from the rest. You show the doorman your ID and it gets logged into their system. That way, they know exactly who is inside.

And the buyers who deal with the big boys need protection too. Imagine you wanna' get your hands on a PSA 7 Aaron RC. You bring with you some high-end cards (trade bait) and some cash. You wanna' go where you can feel safe, right? More security ... more cameras ... and a check has been done on everyone ...

If this is the way they did things, then NO WAY would Ash have had his cards stolen ... no freaking way ...

ClementeFanOh · #3 07-16-2024, 10:33 PM

Samosa4u- I can smell what you're cooking, it's an idea at least worthy of
consideration even if not implemented. The problem on these boards is that
there are individuals who are either a) lazy and disinterested even in a notion
that protects them or b) scruffy individualists who consider any such measures
somehow to be an affront to their "liberty" (even though they merely hint at
this and won't come right out and say it.) Something needs to change for sure
on the part of all parties, and the "I've always done it x or y way and won't
change" routine ain't it. Fighting the premise isn't a promising start.

Trent King

notfast · #4 07-18-2024, 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClementeFanOh

Samosa4u- I can smell what you're cooking, it's an idea at least worthy of
consideration even if not implemented. The problem on these boards is that
there are individuals who are either a) lazy and disinterested even in a notion
that protects them or b) scruffy individualists who consider any such measures
somehow to be an affront to their "liberty" (even though they merely hint at
this and won't come right out and say it.) Something needs to change for sure
on the part of all parties, and the "I've always done it x or y way and won't
change" routine ain't it. Fighting the premise isn't a promising start.

Trent King

It�s weird how you keep calling people lazy because they don�t agree with what you think protects them.

Aquarian Sports Cards · #5 07-17-2024, 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by samosa4u

I'm being serious ...

When I attend a show, I will see one dealer with a Ruth, DiMaggio, Cobbs, Mantles, etc. and the guy next to him has garbage, and the one next to him is selling UltraPro stuff, and the one next to him selling baseball commons, and the one next to him mango juice ... who do you think needs the security?

The high-rollers need to be separated from the rest. You show the doorman your ID and it gets logged into their system. That way, they know exactly who is inside.

And the buyers who deal with the big boys need protection too. Imagine you wanna' get your hands on a PSA 7 Aaron RC. You bring with you some high-end cards (trade bait) and some cash. You wanna' go where you can feel safe, right? More security ... more cameras ... and a check has been done on everyone ...

If this is the way they did things, then NO WAY would Ash have had his cards stolen ... no freaking way ...

I actually don't think you could convince the high-end dealers to segregate themselves for a number of reasons.

Exhibitman · #6 07-17-2024, 12:25 PM

This is all a really good argument for holding shows at casino conference centers. I cannot think of any other type of venue that offers state of the art surveillance of public spaces and hardcore private armed security as SOP. NSCC Las Vegas, baby!

LEHR · #7 07-17-2024, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Exhibitman

NSCC Las Vegas, baby!

Since I'm an hour by air or six hours in the car away from Las Vegas I'd love to see that happen.

Johnny630 · #8 07-18-2024, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Exhibitman

This is all a really good argument for holding shows at casino conference centers. I cannot think of any other type of venue that offers state of the art surveillance of public spaces and hardcore private armed security as SOP. NSCC Las Vegas, baby!

I miss when the Philly show was at Valley Forge....I think a lot of dealers prefer that locations over the Oaks Venue.

jayshum · #9 07-18-2024, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnny630

I miss when the Philly show was at Valley Forge....I think a lot of dealers prefer that locations over the Oaks Venue.

Most dealers I've talked to at the show prefer Oaks because it's a lot easier for them to unload and then load out. The Valley Forge show was downstairs and much harder to get stuff in and out of is what I've been told.

ClementeFanOh · #10 07-18-2024, 02:59 PM

Notfast-

It's weird that you can't type more than one brief sentence. Are you
on a net54 economy plan?

Also, your comment about "laziness" is, ironically enough, lazy in and of
itself. It's definitely the case that some folks who object to added security
ideas lack the energy to accomplish them, regardless of their role. It's
also true that some folks have convinced themselves these suggestions are
an intrusion somehow.

Crazy thought- how about suggesting your idea for a security benefit, rather
than merely tear down the ideas of others? Or is that asking too much? I'm
sure your reply will be Pulitzer worthy. Maybe try to reply with substance?

Trent King

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