Ohtani CARDS are Mostly UNDERVALUED

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

At least for now, Soto is in that discussion IMO.

Betts and Witt too. Henderson knocking on the door.

[packs]

Mookie Betts is a good player but he's no Aaron Judge. Even at his peak he is overshadowed:

Betts MVP season: 186 OPS+ - pretty incredible year BUT
Judge MVP season: 210 OPS+ and his OPS+ right now is even better at 226

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

Mookie Betts is a good player but he's no Aaron Judge. Even at his peak he is overshadowed:

Betts MVP season: 186 OPS+ - pretty incredible year BUT
Judge MVP season: 210 OPS+ and his OPS+ right now is even better at 226

69.1 WAR and he's only 31. That's more than a "good" player.

[packs]

Sure but he's not Aaron Judge even on his best day and that was my point.

[BigfootIsReal]

IF the Dodgers allow Ohtani to pitch again, I'll take Ohtani over Judge every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

[packs]

As a complete player sure but my comment was in reference to who the best hitter in baseball is. I believe it is Judge.

Soto put up a 200 OPS+ in 2020 during a short season. I think you have to go all the way back to Frank Thomas in 1994 to find the last 200 OPS+ season and that was still a strike shortened season.

I am purposely excluding Bonds / McGwire / Sosa for reasons I think are clear.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by packs

As a complete player sure but my comment was in reference to who the best hitter in baseball is. I believe it is Judge.

Soto put up a 200 OPS+ in 2020 during a short season. I think you have to go all the way back to Frank Thomas in 1994 to find the last 200 OPS+ season and that was still a strike shortened season.

I am purposely excluding Bonds / McGwire / Sosa for reasons I think are clear.

Bagwell too. Bagwell was 213, Thomas was 212. Soto was 217. The last time someone was that good was Ted Williams (233) and Mickey Mantle (221) in 1957.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by BigfootIsReal

IF the Dodgers allow Ohtani to pitch again, I'll take Ohtani over Judge every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

You can have him! I'll take the judge!

[BigfootIsReal]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

You can have him! I'll take the judge!

World Series

Ohtani vs Judge

Ten AB's and I say Judge is good for a bloop single

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Carter08

Betts and Witt too. Henderson knocking on the door.

Witt is too young IMO to make any judgments yet.