Never Too Early to Check:

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by Mike D.

I still think he misses out, but with 146 ballots public (39.8%) Beltran ticks up to 80.1%. He could end up VERY close!

Beltran is on pace to pick up about 50 votes, and last year he missed by 69. I agree that it will be close, but that's why I said in my previous post that I don't think he gets in this year.

[Seven]

While I always look forward to seeing the results from the tracker, The Hall of Fame has lost a lot of credibility in my eyes. Some of the greatest players to ever play the game are not in it.

And while I'm not condoning what players like Bonds and Clemens did, I think it's a bit hypocritical to have Bud Selig in the Hall of Fame. He certainly didn't care about them used PED's when it was generating millions upon millions of dollars for his team/the sport.

Furthermore if you draw the line at someone getting injected with a substance but condone someone as morally deplorable as Cap Anson has been allowed to stay in the Hall of Fame, then I really don't know what to say anymore.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by Seven

While I always look forward to seeing the results from the tracker, The Hall of Fame has lost a lot of credibility in my eyes. Some of the greatest players to ever play the game are not in it.

And while I'm not condoning what players like Bonds and Clemens did, I think it's a bit hypocritical to have Bud Selig in the Hall of Fame. He certainly didn't care about them used PED's when it was generating millions upon millions of dollars for his team/the sport.

Furthermore if you draw the line at someone getting injected with a substance but condone someone as morally deplorable as Cap Anson has been allowed to stay in the Hall of Fame, then I really don't know what to say anymore.

I agree with you about the hypocrisy of Selig being inducted and the PED players not being. For Anson, it's harder because you can't easily apply today's accepted behavior with what was considered acceptable back in his time. He wasn't the only one responsible for baseball being segregated even though he certainly played a significant part.

[Seven]

Originally Posted by jayshum

I agree with you about the hypocrisy of Selig being inducted and the PED players not being. For Anson, it's harder because you can't easily apply today's accepted behavior with what was considered acceptable back in his time. He wasn't the only one responsible for baseball being segregated even though he certainly played a significant part.

Jay,

I think I worded it poorly on my part, I'm going to leave my original post. What I was trying to say was that I do think Anson should be in the Hall of Fame. He statistically is a Hall of Famer. He was a pioneer of the game. Statistically speaking, Clemens, Bonds, Rodriguez, etc. All belong as well.

I can't for the life of me understand someone attempting to take the moral high ground argument when it comes to the PED users, but also simultaneously be okay with players like Anson being in the Hall of Fame.

Hope this clarifies things.

James

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by Seven

Jay,

I think I worded it poorly on my part, I'm going to leave my original post. What I was trying to say was that I do think Anson should be in the Hall of Fame. He statistically is a Hall of Famer. He was a pioneer of the game. Statistically speaking, Clemens, Bonds, Rodriguez, etc. All belong as well.

I can't for the life of me understand someone attempting to take the moral high ground argument when it comes to the PED users, but also simultaneously be okay with players like Anson being in the Hall of Fame.

Hope this clarifies things.

James

James, I understood what you were saying in your first post. There are people who think players like Anson should be removed from the Hall of Fame as well as Commissioner Landis and others who's morals don't fit the present even though they may not have been that far from the norm in their own time.

I don't see wanting to keep people out of the Hall now for PEDs just because people like Anson are already in as being hypocritical because they're from different eras and what was considered acceptable in Anson's time is a lot different from now. I see more of a problem with Selig being in (as you said) because he was part of the same era as Bonds, McGwire, etc and clearly had something to do with PED usage being allowed to continue for as long as it did so if the players are to be punished with exclusion then he should be as well.

[mainemule]

CC looking like a first ballot inductee and Schilling not being in is ridiculous. CC only exceeds him in games, wins and IP. He does have one Cy. Schilling's post season numbers and results greatly exceed CCs.

I deplore most of Schilling's post career behaviors but his on field results make him worthy.

I also would like Jeff Kent to be given a better look if Chase Utley is gathering steam.

[Mike D.]

Yes, Schilling is a world-class knob, but to date that's not been enough to keep anyone else out of the Hall of Fame (it's PED's, gambling, and domestic abuse to date). He should have been voted in by the writers.

With the committees, who knows when he'll get on a ballot (could be as early as next year) and when he does, who he'll be on with and will he get elected.

Sabathia and Schilling did overlap by a few years, but Schilling's debut was 13 years before Sabathia, making them sort of a different generation of pitchers. Going forward, what a Hall of Fame starting pitcher looks like is going to be really hard to figure out!

I think both Kent and Utley belong. Not sure why Kent didn't get that much love on the ballot.