I may have to sue Fanatics or Fedex-UPDATED 5/8/25 AT END OF THREAD

[oldjudge]

I'm pretty sure that Fedex limit on insurance is $5000 and they don't insure cards---how was the package insured?

[ullmandds]

that sucks big time...what was the card?

[D. Bergin]

Yeah, it's been 4 days now. You should get out there what the card was so other people can look out for it, in case it pops up in the wild.

Sorry this happened to you.

I'm assuming Fanatics was using a Private Insurance company for their packages, because it costs waaaay more then $140.00 to Overnight and insure a 40K package with any shipping service.

I don't know about FedEx, but when I was at UPS in the 90's, you'd be fired immediately if you let any 5K+ package go, without getting a valid in-person signature...union worker or not.

[russkcpa]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

Yeah, it's been 4 days now. You should get out there what the card was so other people can look out for it, in case it pops up in the wild.

Sorry this happened to you.

I'm assuming Fanatics was using a Private Insurance company for their packages, because it costs waaaay more then $140.00 to Overnight and insure a 40K package with any shipping service.

I don't know about FedEx, but when I was at UPS in the 90's, you'd be fired immediately if you let any 5K+ package go, without getting a valid in-person signature...union worker or not.

Fanatics uses a private insurer.

Picture is from the Fanatics auction ad.

[oldjudge]

Then why would you sue FedEx? It's now an issue for Fanatic's insurance company.

[russkcpa]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Then why would you sue FedEx? It's now an issue for Fanatic's insurance company.

I would think that the insurance company that Fanatic’s uses needs ONLY a signature to consider an item “delivered”
I am charging FedEx with NEVER HAVING OBTAINED a signature.

[vintagerookies51]

I have heard many FedEx drivers don't even attempt to get a signature. They'll just show up and slap the piece of paper on the door. As someone mentioned, I always select to pick it up at a nearby location.

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by russkcpa

Picture is from the Fanatics auction ad.

Interesting! There are currently 142 graded 7 or better in PSA's database. I wonder how many additional ones there are in SGC's database?

[Peter_Spaeth]

SGC does not grade Star BKB unless it's an extremely recent thing. There are still lots of BGS ones that have not been crossed. The problem with crossing is in most cases the centering is going to foreclose the 8 grade even if the card is a killer BGS 8 with mint corners. But I am sure they make exceptions for submitters on the Animal Farm plan.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

SGC does not grade Star BKB unless it's an extremely recent thing. There are still lots of BGS ones that have not been crossed. The problem with crossing is in most cases the centering is going to foreclose the 8 grade even if the card is a killer BGS 8 with mint corners. But I am sure they make exceptions for submitters on the Animal Farm plan.

I keep telling myself that about the BGS 8 (centering 7.5, corners 9.5, edges 9.5 surface 9) we sold a few years ago before PSA started grading them.

What's the old saying? A day late and a dollar short? We were a couple years early and about $30,000 short.

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

SGC does not grade Star BKB unless it's an extremely recent thing.

Originally Posted by samosa4u

I used to have a BGS 7.5 that I sold years ago (before PSA started grading them). Like hundreds of others before me, I too tried to get them to grade the Star cards and even spoke to Joe Orlando, but they didn't give a sh*t.

Why not? I thought they'd grade anything if there was a buck in it.

[packs]

I hope there is a positive outcome. I bought a very expensive baseball and it was delivered by FedEx with the same signature requirement. Like you, I was waiting on edge for my package. I got the same BS automated delivered message even though nobody rang my bell. It said my package had been signed by a C. Covid. I ran downstairs and luckily my package was there but I was extremely annoyed.

[russkcpa]

Originally Posted by packs

I hope there is a positive outcome. I bought a very expensive baseball and it was delivered by FedEx with the same signature requirement. Like you, I was waiting on edge for my package. I got the same BS automated delivered message even though nobody rang my bell. It said my package had been signed by a C. Covid. I ran downstairs and luckily my package was there but I was extremely annoyed.

C.Covid signature same concept as R.Russ
I am going to have Fedex send me old "proof of delivery" signatures. I hope they keep them in a digital file.

[BobbyStrawberry]

That's awful. I'm sorry to hear about this.

Do you think there is someone in your building/complex who signed for you, or do you think the driver forged the signature?

I can't imagine that FedEx was your choice...for items of that value (and really even far below it), every single AH should allow winners to choose the shipping method. FedEx can be such a nightmare. For all the complaints about USPS, USPS Registered would not have led to this outcome IMO

[russkcpa]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

That's awful. I'm sorry to hear about this.

Do you think there is someone in your building/complex who signed for you, or do you think the driver forged the signature?

I can't imagine that FedEx was your choice...for items of that value (and really even far below it), every single AH should allow winners to choose the shipping method. FedEx can be such a nightmare. For all the complaints about USPS, USPS Registered would not have led to this outcome IMO

I would guess the driver. My first area of discovery will be to review all of the driver’s signature deliveries. I would bet that “forged signature “ is not a first.

[hcv123]

Originally Posted by russkcpa

I would guess the driver. My first area of discovery will be to review all of the driver’s signature deliveries. I would bet that “forged signature “ is not a first.

page of cards was stolen including an autographed 1961 Clemente and 1961 Hornsby from a package whine in Fedex's possession for less than 14 hours. They "investigated" Conclusded nothing - whole process is laughable, but not in the least bit funny!

Wonder if there are enough of these type situations for a class action lawsuit. As previously mentioned until this atrocious accountability costs Fedex real money (ie. Expensive lawsuit settlement), I suspect the lack of process follow through and accountability will continue.

It is situationally great to be covered by insurance in these cases, but more globally 1) It lets Fed Ex (or other shippers) off the hook regaridng true accountability and ends up costing us all more for insurance as a result of FedEx emloyees negligent behabvior!

[notfast]

Wonder if filing a police report would get anywhere…40k is no joke.

[jimq]

When I worked at USPS we had GPS in our scanners so they could tell where a package was delivered. But they would never share that with a customer.

Also "adult signature" is way different from signature confirmation or restricted delivery. With only "adult signature" we didn't check somebody's ID if they were obviously adult. With signature confirmation we had to check ID to see that the name you signed was the name on the ID. With restricted delivery the name on your ID had to be the name the package was addressed to.

I just wonder if insurance covers misdelivery. With it not being fedex insurance, is it covered for damage or loss or is it covered for failure to safely deliver it to you? It wasn't lost or damaged, just not properly delivered.

Good luck, I hope they come thru for you.

[Andrew1975]

I have had issues with FedEx in the past. I started having them hold packages at a nearby distribution center, so I can just pick them up at my convenience, and no further problems. I hope this is resolved for you quickly, and without a lot of stress.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Andrew1975

I have had issues with FedEx in the past. I started having them hold packages at a nearby distribution center, so I can just pick them up at my convenience, and no further problems. I hope this is resolved for you quickly, and without a lot of stress.

This is exactly what I do now, as well. Best of luck.... an awful situation, and hoping you get your proper recourse.

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by Andrew1975

I have had issues with FedEx in the past. I started having them hold packages at a nearby distribution center, so I can just pick them up at my convenience, and no further problems. I hope this is resolved for you quickly, and without a lot of stress.

+1

I have started doing this when I know I will not be home to sign for a package. FedEx would leave a door tag half the time, and the other half they would sign for it and leave it at the front door.

[hammertime]

Originally Posted by Andrew1975

I have had issues with FedEx in the past. I started having them hold packages at a nearby distribution center, so I can just pick them up at my convenience, and no further problems. I hope this is resolved for you quickly, and without a lot of stress.

Same, this has worked well for me so far.

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

I can't imagine that FedEx was your choice...for items of that value (and really even far below it), every single AH should allow winners to choose the shipping method. FedEx can be such a nightmare. For all the complaints about USPS, USPS Registered would not have led to this outcome IMO

Agreed, FedEx is the absolute WORST IMO, and for some reason the packages that PSA sends don't qualify for a vacation hold, so if I'm out of town I have to try to finagle something so they don't get returned. So stupid.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

I'm pretty sure that Fedex limit on insurance is $5000 and they don't insure cards---how was the package insured?

They do insure collectibles up to $1000. Obviously that's no help here.

[BigfootIsReal]

I ran the numbers. To insure 40K and sending Next Day Air it would cost $665

[Mark17]

As far as the signature goes, my actual signature, using a pen, is way different from the squiggle I'm able to produce, when using my fingernail on their signature pad. I think those signatures, scrawled with a finger, are useless.

When I get stuff from Heritage, I am required to show ID - my drivers' license - and they capture an image of it.

[SyrNy1960]

Originally Posted by Mark17

When I get stuff from Heritage, I am required to show ID - my drivers' license - and they capture an image of it.

Should be this way with all shipping services. Way too many packages not being delivered properly.

[LEHR]

Two years ago, on my birthday no less, I had a package misdelivered by FedEx containing four Type 1 photos on their way back from PSA. We have 12 cameras front and back of our building and I have proof no FedEx delivery was made here on the stated day, or at the stated time. We also had no employee working here by the name of the person who signed for my package. Dealing with FedEx was a complete joke and their customer service is garbage. After a few days of trying to get FedEx to do anything I contacted PSA and filed a claim. Four months later I had a check in hand that covered the full value of the photos, as well as all shipping and authentication fees. Dollar wise I came out ahead, but I'd still rather have my photo's back. Three were of Fred Clarke and one was of Vic Willis from 1909. To this day I've never seen any other photos like those and I'm still pissed about this. I've never used FedEx since and go out of my way to make sure shippers do not send my packages FedEx.

[nwobhm]

The Jordan Holy Grail is a card that is picked up in person. No way in Hell I would trust the shitbirds at UPS FedEx or USPS with that.

[Yoda]

Originally Posted by nwobhm

The Jordan Holy Grail is a card that is picked up in person. No way in Hell I would trust the shitbirds at UPS FedEx or USPS with that.

I sniff driver larceny in this sad tale.
If delivery services had any idea the righteous anger of collectors, who have saved, done their homework and bought a big card, only to find it has gone astray due to the carrier's negligence might think about improving service by vetting their drivers more carefully

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by Yoda

If delivery services had any idea the righteous anger of collectors, who have saved, done their homework and bought a big card, only to find it has gone astray due to the carrier's negligence might think about improving service by vetting their drivers more carefully

That won't do it. The only thing that could give the delivery services pause is a court ruling with mega punitive damages for negligence over and above full compensation to the individual who didn't get delivery.

[frankbmd]

My Fedex story is one where the seller insisted on my signature when the package was delivered and it was cards. Fedex notified me that the package would be delivered during the morning hours. In our gated community theft is not a problem, but the seller insisted. The value of the parcel was $400, not 40K.

I waited at home for the morning delivery that did not happen. I continued to wait, pen in hand, but at 4PM there was a loud thud at the front door (that sounded like a break in attempt). I went the front door and my package was on the ground having been pitched by the driver at my door. The truck was pulling away when I looked up.

The seller packaged the cards well and they survived the bombing of my front door. Fortunately the front door survived as well. I never saw a signature of the driver and I suspect his office didn't either. With all the tales mentioned in this thread, my own position about signature verification on delivery seems vindicated.

Waiting 8 hours for a bomb to explode at the front door does not seem warranted either.

The nearest pick up location offered by Fedex is 20 miles away (40 miles for the round trip)

Hopefully things will work out more favorably for the OP as well.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I only skimmed but have you contacted Fanatics, explained the situation, and asked them to deal with Fed Ex as they are the customer?

[Mozzie22]

Originally Posted by nwobhm

The Jordan Holy Grail is a card that is picked up in person. No way in Hell I would trust the shitbirds at UPS FedEx or USPS with that.

This. Why would anyone ship a $40k card?