Pete Rose news?

[Peter_Spaeth]

It's sure a weird HOF. All time hit leader? No. All time HR leader? Nope. Top 5 pitcher of all time? Negative.

[John1941]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It's sure a weird HOF. All time hit leader? No. All time HR leader? Nope. Top 5 pitcher of all time? Negative.

3rd (or 4th if you count Negro Leaguers) highest career batting average? No.

[clydepepper]

EVERYBODY gets off!

NO RULES=NO STANDARDS!

[JollyElm]

(Didn't read the article itself.)

The strangest part of all of this is how Pete Rose was put into hard-core exile for breaking the rules and betting on baseball...yet everywhere you turn now has the open and widespread promotion/advertising of betting on sports which is completely accepted (and seemingly 'sponsored'?) by the MLB.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

(Didn't read the article itself.)

The strangest part of all of this is how Pete Rose was put into hard-core exile for breaking the rules and betting on baseball...yet everywhere you turn now has the open and widespread promotion/advertising of betting on sports which is completely accepted (and seemingly 'sponsored'?) by the MLB.

Gambling on games by people who can directly impact the outcome never was and never will be legal. Like players, referees/umpires, and coaches/managers.

But yes, I do get the general irony of your post.

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

...yet everywhere you turn now has the open and widespread promotion/advertising of betting on sports which is completely accepted (and seemingly 'sponsored'?) by the MLB.

Such hypocrisy.

[Mark17]

Either Rose deserved the ban or he didn't. The gambling rule and the facts have not changed. To pardon him now, shortly after death, would seem to me to be unusually cruel.

And it would be throwing away a principled judgement.

[jingram058]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It's sure a weird HOF. All time hit leader? No. All time HR leader? Nope. Top 5 pitcher of all time? Negative.

+1 I could not agree more, sir.

[bk400]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It's sure a weird HOF. All time hit leader? No. All time HR leader? Nope. Top 5 pitcher of all time? Negative.

Interesting. What's your take on Lance Armstrong?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bk400

Interesting. What's your take on Lance Armstrong?

Unfortunately I think cheating was or maybe still is endemic in cycling. So, like baseball, you're only punishing a percentage of the cheaters and letting other cheaters acfhieve exalted status -- is that acceptable or fair, I don't know. Seems there is no good solution.

[bk400]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Unfortunately I think cheating was or maybe still is endemic in cycling. So, like baseball, you're only punishing a percentage of the cheaters and letting other cheaters acfhieve exalted status -- is that acceptable or fair, I don't know. Seems there is no good solution.

There may not be a perfect solution. But there are terrible solutions. If you let into the pantheon the cheaters who get caught, it is an immediate race to the bottom for any sport.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bk400

There may not be a perfect solution. But there are terrible solutions. If you let into the pantheon the cheaters who get caught, it is an immediate race to the bottom for any sport.

Did anyone ever try harder to win baseball games than Pete Rose?

[bk400]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Did anyone ever try harder to win baseball games than Pete Rose?

I would prefer if Pete Rose stays out of the Hall. But if absolutely forced to choose, I'd let him in instead of the steroid guys.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Did anyone ever try harder to win baseball games than Pete Rose?

Problem is it's a long season. As a manager betting on your team to win may lead you to do things to win THAT GAME that are not in the team's actual best interest. Running out a reliever who's on fumes, or leaving a starter in or pulling one to quickly etc. In a 162 game season there are very few must win games. Try telling that to a gambler though.

[Casey2296]

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Let's be honest, Manfred and MLB have dropped to their knees and grabbed the thighs of gambling with vigor, he and MLB gave up the moral high ground argument as soon as they did that. SMH at the hypocrisy.

Jackson wasn't convicted, although it was a Chicago Kangaroo court so that doesn't mean much. Landis had to do what he did to make a stand against gambling at the time.

Rose was an asshole but he wouldn't be the first one in the Hall.

Jackson should be a no-brainer at this point.

Let's pull Bud Selig and Joe West from the Hall and put those two guys in.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

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Let's be honest, Manfred and MLB have dropped to their knees and grabbed the thighs of gambling with vigor, he and MLB gave up the moral high ground argument as soon as they did that. SMH at the hypocrisy.

Jackson wasn't convicted, although it was a Chicago Kangaroo court so that doesn't mean much. Landis had to do what he did to make a stand against gambling at the time.

Rose was an asshole but he wouldn't be the first one in the Hall.

Jackson should be a no-brainer at this point.

Let's pull Bud Selig and Joe West from the Hall and put those two guys in.

Fortunately, I don't think Joe West is in the Hall. I agree with pulling Selig out since he oversaw the whole PED era and didn't do much to stop it. Tony LaRussa should be out to since he benefitted as a manager from McGwire and Canseco among others, and it's hard to believe he didn't know what they were doing. Doesn't seem fair to only punish the players by keeping them out but letting these others in.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by jayshum

Fortunately, I don't think Joe West is in the Hall. I agree with pulling Selig out since he oversaw the whole PED era and didn't do much to stop it. Tony LaRussa should be out to since he benefitted as a manager from McGwire and Canseco among others, and it's hard to believe he didn't know what they were doing. Doesn't seem fair to only punish the players by keeping them out but letting these others in.

You don't think Torre knew Clemens and ARod were using?

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

You don't think Torre knew Clemens and ARod were using?

Sorry, forgot about Torre. I wasn't trying to come up with a complete list, just trying to get my point across.

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by SyrNy1960

Steroids finally made it to baseball's banned substance list in 1991, however testing for major league players did not begin until the 2003 season. While testing for steroids began, the usage did not stop.

Originally Posted by jayshum

I agree with pulling Selig out since he oversaw the whole PED era and didn't do much to stop it.

That bastard Selig should be dragged before a Congressional committee to explain his inaction. At minimum he should not only be expelled from the H.O.F. but forfeit the salary he "earned" as commissioner.

[jingram058]

Pete Rose signed my 1964 Topps card of his and didn't charge money to do it. He's the all-time leader in hits. I couldn't give a flying f about his gambling. I'm perfectly okay with him, Jackson, McGwire, Bonds, Clemens or any of the others you care to name going in. Not going to happen, but I'm okay with it.

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

Jackson wasn't convicted, although it was a Chicago Kangaroo court so that doesn't mean much.

Just the opposite was it not?

Originally Posted by Casey2296

Jackson should be a no-brainer at this point.

Not if he had any part in throwing the World Series.