Pete Rose news?

[bk400]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It's sure a weird HOF. All time hit leader? No. All time HR leader? Nope. Top 5 pitcher of all time? Negative.

Interesting. What's your take on Lance Armstrong?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bk400

Interesting. What's your take on Lance Armstrong?

Unfortunately I think cheating was or maybe still is endemic in cycling. So, like baseball, you're only punishing a percentage of the cheaters and letting other cheaters acfhieve exalted status -- is that acceptable or fair, I don't know. Seems there is no good solution.

[bk400]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Unfortunately I think cheating was or maybe still is endemic in cycling. So, like baseball, you're only punishing a percentage of the cheaters and letting other cheaters acfhieve exalted status -- is that acceptable or fair, I don't know. Seems there is no good solution.

There may not be a perfect solution. But there are terrible solutions. If you let into the pantheon the cheaters who get caught, it is an immediate race to the bottom for any sport.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bk400

There may not be a perfect solution. But there are terrible solutions. If you let into the pantheon the cheaters who get caught, it is an immediate race to the bottom for any sport.

Did anyone ever try harder to win baseball games than Pete Rose?

[bk400]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Did anyone ever try harder to win baseball games than Pete Rose?

I would prefer if Pete Rose stays out of the Hall. But if absolutely forced to choose, I'd let him in instead of the steroid guys.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Did anyone ever try harder to win baseball games than Pete Rose?

Problem is it's a long season. As a manager betting on your team to win may lead you to do things to win THAT GAME that are not in the team's actual best interest. Running out a reliever who's on fumes, or leaving a starter in or pulling one to quickly etc. In a 162 game season there are very few must win games. Try telling that to a gambler though.

[Casey2296]

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Let's be honest, Manfred and MLB have dropped to their knees and grabbed the thighs of gambling with vigor, he and MLB gave up the moral high ground argument as soon as they did that. SMH at the hypocrisy.

Jackson wasn't convicted, although it was a Chicago Kangaroo court so that doesn't mean much. Landis had to do what he did to make a stand against gambling at the time.

Rose was an asshole but he wouldn't be the first one in the Hall.

Jackson should be a no-brainer at this point.

Let's pull Bud Selig and Joe West from the Hall and put those two guys in.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

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Let's be honest, Manfred and MLB have dropped to their knees and grabbed the thighs of gambling with vigor, he and MLB gave up the moral high ground argument as soon as they did that. SMH at the hypocrisy.

Jackson wasn't convicted, although it was a Chicago Kangaroo court so that doesn't mean much. Landis had to do what he did to make a stand against gambling at the time.

Rose was an asshole but he wouldn't be the first one in the Hall.

Jackson should be a no-brainer at this point.

Let's pull Bud Selig and Joe West from the Hall and put those two guys in.

Fortunately, I don't think Joe West is in the Hall. I agree with pulling Selig out since he oversaw the whole PED era and didn't do much to stop it. Tony LaRussa should be out to since he benefitted as a manager from McGwire and Canseco among others, and it's hard to believe he didn't know what they were doing. Doesn't seem fair to only punish the players by keeping them out but letting these others in.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by jayshum

Fortunately, I don't think Joe West is in the Hall. I agree with pulling Selig out since he oversaw the whole PED era and didn't do much to stop it. Tony LaRussa should be out to since he benefitted as a manager from McGwire and Canseco among others, and it's hard to believe he didn't know what they were doing. Doesn't seem fair to only punish the players by keeping them out but letting these others in.

You don't think Torre knew Clemens and ARod were using?

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

You don't think Torre knew Clemens and ARod were using?

Sorry, forgot about Torre. I wasn't trying to come up with a complete list, just trying to get my point across.

[SyrNy1960]

Steroids finally made it to baseball's banned substance list in 1991, however testing for major league players did not begin until the 2003 season. While testing for steroids began, the usage did not stop.

Brady Anderson's 50 HR's in 1996 shows what steroids can do for someone. Just find it odd that it only shows one season, considering testing didn't happen until 2003.

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by SyrNy1960

Steroids finally made it to baseball's banned substance list in 1991, however testing for major league players did not begin until the 2003 season. While testing for steroids began, the usage did not stop.

Originally Posted by jayshum

I agree with pulling Selig out since he oversaw the whole PED era and didn't do much to stop it.

That bastard Selig should be dragged before a Congressional committee to explain his inaction. At minimum he should not only be expelled from the H.O.F. but forfeit the salary he "earned" as commissioner.

[jingram058]

Pete Rose signed my 1964 Topps card of his and didn't charge money to do it. He's the all-time leader in hits. I couldn't give a flying f about his gambling. I'm perfectly okay with him, Jackson, McGwire, Bonds, Clemens or any of the others you care to name going in. Not going to happen, but I'm okay with it.

[SyrNy1960]

Originally Posted by jingram058

Pete Rose signed my 1964 Topps card of his and didn't charge money to do it. He's the all-time leader in hits. I couldn't give a flying f about his gambling. I'm perfectly okay with him, Jackson, McGwire, Bonds, Clemens or any of the others you care to name going in. Not going to happen, but I'm okay with it.

+1 - Let them all in the Hall of Smoke and Mirrors

[icurnmedic]

Originally Posted by jingram058

Pete Rose signed my 1964 Topps card of his and didn't charge money to do it. He's the all-time leader in hits. I couldn't give a flying f about his gambling. I'm perfectly okay with him, Jackson, McGwire, Bonds, Clemens or any of the others you care to name going in. Not going to happen, but I'm okay with it.

At risk of making many upset , I agree!!
He does hold the record, with of course, Choke, Bonds. Clemens et al and Jackson never proved . Maybe Clemens was, I don't Know. As always , if you don't think others were "using" I don't know what to tell you. I do know from first hand experience it was a different time. Even my Division IIA school, and then my Division II School , many were using.
Right? Not sure , but it is what it was.
And for the/my record, I feel that Mcgwire and Sosa may have saved the game , At the time of course.

[icurnmedic]

Originally Posted by jingram058

Pete Rose signed my 1964 Topps card of his and didn't charge money to do it. He's the all-time leader in hits. I couldn't give a flying f about his gambling. I'm perfectly okay with him, Jackson, McGwire, Bonds, Clemens or any of the others you care to name going in. Not going to happen, but I'm okay with it.

At risk of making many upset , I agree!!
He does hold the record, with of course, Choke, Bonds. Clemens et al and Jackson never proved . Maybe Clemens was, I don't Know. As always , if you don't think others were "using" I don't know what to tell you. I do know from first hand experience it was a different time. Even my Division IA school, and then my Division II School , many were using.
Right? Not sure , but it is what it was.
And for the/my record, I feel that Mcgwire and Sosa may have saved the game , At the time of course.

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

Jackson wasn't convicted, although it was a Chicago Kangaroo court so that doesn't mean much.

Just the opposite was it not?

Originally Posted by Casey2296

Jackson should be a no-brainer at this point.

Not if he had any part in throwing the World Series.