2028 National Headed to Detroit or Atlanta?

[JollyElm]

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[Rich Klein]

AI gave me a good title for this missive.

But as noted, this is for the dealers to vote on and as such, we can have our opinion but it is up to the voters.

Detroit has not hosted an NSCC since 1981 and that was during the baseball strike and Atlanta has not hosted an NSCC since 1999.

The real key for either location is to avoid the perils of Atlantic City from being difficult to get to and then being worried about leaving the facility to go anywhere.

For example, Chicago is well known for some rough areas but Rosemont, the suburb near O'Hare is reasonably safe for people coming in. Detroit is improving as a city but again how is the area NEAR the show. If it's a suburb, then you are probably in a good situation.

Downtown Atlanta can certainly hold enough people but again, how is the infrastructure for the dealers and the collectors.

Without knowing the details of the bids, we can only make some guesstimations but not an answer.

Regards
Rich

[parkplace33]

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

AI gave me a good title for this missive.

But as noted, this is for the dealers to vote on and as such, we can have our opinion but it is up to the voters.

Detroit has not hosted an NSCC since 1981 and that was during the baseball strike and Atlanta has not hosted an NSCC since 1999.

The real key for either location is to avoid the perils of Atlantic City from being difficult to get to and then being worried about leaving the facility to go anywhere.

For example, Chicago is well known for some rough areas but Rosemont, the suburb near O'Hare is reasonably safe for people coming in. Detroit is improving as a city but again how is the area NEAR the show. If it's a suburb, then you are probably in a good situation.

Downtown Atlanta can certainly hold enough people but again, how is the infrastructure for the dealers and the collectors.

Without knowing the details of the bids, we can only make some guesstimations but not an answer.

Regards
Rich

Any idea why the choices were just these two cities?

[Fred]

Either would be a nice change from Chicago.

[MJRaider]

It's about time the organizers acknowledge the hobby exists and is thriving outside NY/NJ and the Midwest. ATL it is.

[Rich Klein]

Originally Posted by parkplace33

Any idea why the choices were just these two cities?

Obviously, I do not speak for any of the show managers but remember there are certain criteria which have to be met before a bid can be made for a NSCC venue. These places did meet that criteria and thus are eligible to host the event.

I know when the current NSCC management group took over, they did a long interview with Jeremy Lee (who is hosting on you tube a great series on the Road to the National) and as such he can probably be on with them and they can provide the needed information we wish to hear.

As big as the NSCC has gotten in recent years, I'd would not be surprised if there were less than 15 places in this country which have the capability of hosting the event and want to have us as well

Regards
Rich

[akleinb611]

As a New Yorker, Atlantic City was pretty much the only location that would make my attendance possible. I don't think AC was quite as bad as some have made it out to be, although I will acknowledge that your milage may have varied.

Having had a wonderful time at both Baltimore conventions, and noting that most people here seem to agree with me about the Baltimore shows, I continue to be frustrated by the inability of the powers that be to make another Baltimore convention possible. I've been told multiple times that the reason for the difficulty is that the Baltimore venue refuses to book three years in advance. That is an oddly arbitrary stance on their part. Surely SOME way around that problem should be possible!

[Rich Klein]

Originally Posted by akleinb611

As a New Yorker, Atlantic City was pretty much the only location that would make my attendance possible. I don't think AC was quite as bad as some have made it out to be, although I will acknowledge that your milage may have varied.

Having had a wonderful time at both Baltimore conventions, and noting that most people here seem to agree with me about the Baltimore shows, I continue to be frustrated by the inability of the powers that be to make another Baltimore convention possible. I've been told multiple times that the reason for the difficulty is that the Baltimore venue refuses to book three years in advance. That is an oddly arbitrary stance on their part. Surely SOME way around that problem should be possible!

Baltimore was barely size acceptable in 2010, It is certainly not big enough in today's world

And for Atlantic City, When I lived in New Jersey, I LOVED being at the AC NSCC as a dealer and drove there. Now flying in from Dallas is a freaking pain in the you know what. It truly reminds me of Planes and Trains.

[notfast]

Originally Posted by akleinb611

As a New Yorker, Atlantic City was pretty much the only location that would make my attendance possible. I don't think AC was quite as bad as some have made it out to be, although I will acknowledge that your milage may have varied.

Having had a wonderful time at both Baltimore conventions, and noting that most people here seem to agree with me about the Baltimore shows, I continue to be frustrated by the inability of the powers that be to make another Baltimore convention possible. I've been told multiple times that the reason for the difficulty is that the Baltimore venue refuses to book three years in advance. That is an oddly arbitrary stance on their part. Surely SOME way around that problem should be possible!

Baltimore isnt even remotely close to being big enough.

[CurtisFlood]

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

AI gave me a good title for this missive.

But as noted, this is for the dealers to vote on and as such, we can have our opinion but it is up to the voters.

Detroit has not hosted an NSCC since 1981 and that was during the baseball strike and Atlanta has not hosted an NSCC since 1999.

The real key for either location is to avoid the perils of Atlantic City from being difficult to get to and then being worried about leaving the facility to go anywhere.

For example, Chicago is well known for some rough areas but Rosemont, the suburb near O'Hare is reasonably safe for people coming in. Detroit is improving as a city but again how is the area NEAR the show. If it's a suburb, then you are probably in a good situation.

Downtown Atlanta can certainly hold enough people but again, how is the infrastructure for the dealers and the collectors.

Without knowing the details of the bids, we can only make some guesstimations but not an answer.

Regards
Rich

Rich: The union was a problem last time I did a show in Atlanta. They had to haul your merchandise and showcases, etc. in and when the show closed haul it out. I had problems getting them to help as they seemed to be waiting for a bribe to get them to help. That was in 2000 at the All Star Fanfest Show, not sure how that will fly now. I am sure that the collecting community is a lot stronger in the south now than it was then.

[sayheykid54]

DETROIT. An absolutely fantastic downtown area. Detroit hosted the draft two years ago and it was incredible!

[ncinin]

Originally Posted by CurtisFlood

Rich: The union was a problem last time I did a show in Atlanta. They had to haul your merchandise and showcases, etc. in and when the show closed haul it out. I had problems getting them to help as they seemed to be waiting for a bribe to get them to help. That was in 2000 at the All Star Fanfest Show, not sure how that will fly now. I am sure that the collecting community is a lot stronger in the south now than it was then.

At the 1999 Atlanta NSCC you were able to load your inventory in and out of the show. I assume each show negotiates the level of union participation at some convention centers

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

I am sure dealers who attended the last National in Cleveland will be asking about union workers no matter where the show is headed, and the answer will be a resounding "No" if there's a union.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by BillyCoxDodgers3B

I am sure dealers who attended the last National in Cleveland will be asking about union workers no matter where the show is headed, and the answer will be a resounding "No" if there's a union.

I had no union issues in Cleveland and hadn't heard of any.

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

I had no union issues in Cleveland and hadn't heard of any.

Forgive me; am I confusing venues? Could have sworn it was the last time in Cleveland where they were refusing to let people take their own material in and out.

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by BillyCoxDodgers3B

I am sure dealers who attended the last National in Cleveland will be asking about union workers no matter where the show is headed, and the answer will be a resounding "No" if there's a union.

Huntington is union. However, the q&a lists all non union activities which would cover 99% of exhibitors. You can set up your own area and unload at the loading docks using carts.

https://www.huntingtonplacedetroit.c...urniture%20etc.

[parkplace33]

Originally Posted by CurtisFlood

Rich: The union was a problem last time I did a show in Atlanta. They had to haul your merchandise and showcases, etc. in and when the show closed haul it out. I had problems getting them to help as they seemed to be waiting for a bribe to get them to help. That was in 2000 at the All Star Fanfest Show, not sure how that will fly now. I am sure that the collecting community is a lot stronger in the south now than it was then.

I have an image in my head of all these National Dealers Union busting in Atlanta

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

For example, Chicago is well known for some rough areas but Rosemont, the suburb near O'Hare is reasonably safe for people coming in. Detroit is improving as a city but again how is the area NEAR the show. If it's a suburb, then you are probably in a good situation

As a resident, the area downtown in and around Huntington could not be safer. Not only does the DPD patrol well, but Dan Gilbert owns so much down there the area in downtown has basically its own private police force. While the odd incidents still happen in the Greek town area around one of the casinos, I would say that downtown is now one of the safest major cities in the country around that area. Now if you leave the financial district…well good luck. Anyone with any logic would know better. The hotel situation is out of this world as you have enough to easily handle 100s of thousands in walking distance. Plenty of food in walking distances and ample food trucks allowed. Honestly, I can’t think of a better place for a National.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

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+1.

However, the demographics just aren't in our favor. Too many collectors on the east coast, and too few of us out west.

Our only consolation is that we get to go to bed earlier on auction night.

[bigfanNY]

There was a time ( early 70's) when Detroit was the hub of the baseball card world. From a historic perspective Detroit is a great choice. Maybe give those that collect early hobby stuff a chance to display it. And is much cooler that Atlanta first week of August. Jmho..

[Snapolit1]

As long as the AC is working inside, I don’t care if it’s 100 degrees in the parking lot.

[ValKehl]

Has anyone heard where the National Pre-War Sports Collectors Convention will be held in 2028 (and in earlier years)?

[isiahfan]

Outside of preference for proximity to location...interesting on some of these takes...maybe some of you actually haven't been to the downtowns of either lately...just got back from a conference in ATL...on the way down IMO...whereas DET has the casinos, stadiums and lakefront...and much better weather that time of year. That being said....I would guess the show would be in the burbs if it is in DET...probably Novi....which is in arguably the nicest county in the country and has a nice center similar to that of CHI nearby....and the traffic isn't a complete shitshow like ATL.

[Jewish-collector]

Convention Centers by size

McCormick Place Chicago
Orange County Convention Center Orlando
Las Vegas Convention Center Las Vegas
Georgia World Congress Center Atlanta
Jacob K. Javits Convention Center New York City
New Orleans Morial Convention Center New Orleans
America's Center St. Louis
San Diego Convention Center San Diego
Huntington Place Detroit
Walter E. Washington Convention Ctr. Washington
Sands Expo and Convention Center Las Vegas
International Exposition Center Cleveland
Colorado Convention Center Denver
Mandalay Bay Convention Center Las Vegas
Music City Center Nashville
Kay Bailey Hutchison Convention Ctr. Dallas
Pennsylvania Convention Center Philadelphia
Moscone Convention Center San Francisco

The Stephens Convention Center in Rosemont is way down below all of these.

[theuclakid]

the 1992 and 1999 Nationals in Atlanta were awesome, yes very hot but the convention center was first rate as I recall

Bruce Perry