Disturbing Confession ...

[4815162342]

[BioCRN]

Well, this escalated quickly.

[BioCRN]

For reference, the first I can remember hearing about any of this was a shared FB post about some sketchy Gretzky pucks back in January.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1697...7470872185824/

I'm not sure if this was what opened this particular door, or if there was past history.

[egri]

He mentioned JSA; weren't they implicated in the fake signed T206 scandal from a while back? This guy mentioned mostly modern stuff, but it's possible him or someone working with him branched off.

[calvindog]

This is why I hesitate to spend real money on signed cards.

[samosa4u]

Originally Posted by calvindog

This is why I hesitate to spend real money on signed cards.

Same here. Always a signed Fleer Jordan hitting the market, Jackies, Mantles, etc. How many of these are actually real ??

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

Same here. Always a signed Fleer Jordan hitting the market, Jackies, Mantles, etc. How many of these are actually real ??

How many 1933 Goudey Gehrig's and Ruth's have hit the market recently? All the sudden people found these in their collections that were handed down and wondered if these guys' cards were worth something?

I never trusted this space of the hobby. Nor the game used area. Cards are bad enough but signed and game used requires more suspension of disbelief than I can muster up.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by calvindog

This is why I hesitate to spend real money on signed cards.

EXACTLY why. Autographs were crooked as hell before they migrated their way to sportscards. This should be a shock to anyone. Especially with all the scribbles being done today, mostly by the athletes family and friends.

The most coveted and expensive Ohtani signed card his autograph starts with a "C" and then a line and maybe a "y". It rediculous.

[Salfino]

Lou Gehrig Says!

[doug.goodman]

Ok, so there's a body, but on a brighter note the opinion sellers made a profit.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

Ok, so there's a body, but on a brighter note the opinion sellers made a profit.

If I understand this, and I probably don't, the opinion sellers were bypassed. These fakes were created by auto pen, then had fake authentication holograms/stickers/whatever type of certs added.

So, no, that's another sad thing besides the corpse. The opinion sellers didn't make a profit from this.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by Mark17

If I understand this, and I probably don't, the opinion sellers were bypassed. These fakes were created by auto pen, then had fake authentication holograms/stickers/whatever type of certs added.

So, no, that's another sad thing besides the corpse. The opinion sellers didn't make a profit from this.

Oh, then that is double sadness.

But don't people who buy things with certs/holos/etc then usually get them opinionated because the slab is a good way to keep the item protected?

[packs]

I still have a lot of practical questions about this confession.

If you make a fake LOA sticker and cert for a major retailer in the hobby, it is easy to search for it in the LOA database and see it's not there. I always check but I guess some people don't. Even people who are paying thousands of dollars for somebody like Brady, apparently.

Autopen is not magic. It should be fairly easy to distinguish it from a real signature, even when looked at by someone who is not an "expert". It's not all that different from distinguishing between a xerox and a live document. It's hard to imagine so many LOAs being issued for what are said to be autopen signatures.

[Fandom0610]

Originally Posted by packs

I still have a lot of practical questions about this confession.

If you make a fake LOA sticker and cert for a major retailer in the hobby, it is easy to search for it in the LOA database and see it's not there. I always check but I guess some people don't. Even people who are paying thousands of dollars for somebody like Brady, apparently.

Autopen is not magic. It should be fairly easy to distinguish it from a real signature, even when looked at by someone who is not an "expert". It's not all that different from distinguishing between a xerox and a live document. It's hard to imagine so many LOAs being issued for what are said to be autopen signatures.

From what ive seen most don't have LOA's with the item picture on it. Theyre simply just the psa/jsa/panini stickers on the item. Some might have a coa but what theyre doing is finding a legit item certified by psa or jsa and copying that cert # onto another sticker and putting it on the item. Alot of items dont have the picture of the item on the database. It'll just say "Kobe bryant 8x10" on the psa or jsa website. So as long as that item is a Kobe signed 8x10 with the same cert # nobody would know because theres no picture to reference.

[Kco]

Originally Posted by packs

I still have a lot of practical questions about this confession.

If you make a fake LOA sticker and cert for a major retailer in the hobby, it is easy to search for it in the LOA database and see it's not there. I always check but I guess some people don't. Even people who are paying thousands of dollars for somebody like Brady, apparently.

Autopen is not magic. It should be fairly easy to distinguish it from a real signature, even when looked at by someone who is not an "expert". It's not all that different from distinguishing between a xerox and a live document. It's hard to imagine so many LOAs being issued for what are said to be autopen signatures.

This is all correct, autopen is very much detectable and in many cases fiarly obvious to decipher from a natural signature.

[samosa4u]

Originally Posted by 4815162342

Yikes !!!