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Old 09-12-2025, 04:30 PM
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I must be a relic. A .239 hitter even under consideration for MVP?? WTF?? Judge, clearly.
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I must be a relic. A .239 hitter even under consideration for MVP?? WTF?? Judge, clearly.
I could look past batting average if Raleigh were an on-base machine, but his OBP is only .354. And if you're inclined to look at WAR, he's actually behind teammate Julio Rodriguez.

The MVP race shouldn't even be close.
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I could look past batting average if Raleigh were an on-base machine, but his OBP is only .354. And if you're inclined to look at WAR, he's actually behind teammate Julio Rodriguez.

The MVP race shouldn't even be close.
Depends on which WAR. In fWAR, Raleigh is right behind Judge and Ohtani and has 2.7 more wins than Julio Rodriguez.
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Depends on which WAR. In fWAR, Raleigh is right behind Judge and Ohtani and has 2.7 more wins than Julio Rodriguez.
Judge has a 44 point margin in OPS+. Let's get real.
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Judge has an OPS+ over 200. It can’t be emphasized enough. That is incredibly difficult to do and you can’t not give him the MVP after he does it again. That’s Ted Williams, Gehrig, Jimmie Foxx territory. He leads the league in batting average, on base, slugging, OPS, OPS+ and total bases. He’s insane.
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I certainly wouldn't be opposed to Judge winning, especially as he seems to putting on the gas these last few games.

I'm somewhat skeptical of the WAR stats myself, but understand that voters care. I mean, Ohtani's fWAR actually increased by 0.2 after he got torched for 4 earned runs in one inning a few starts ago.

As far as OPS+, I get conceptually what it means, but if someone can explain to me why that stat is robust, I'd appreciate it. It strikes me as one of those stats where they try to translate what balls hit at certain speeds and at certain angles would do in certain ball parks. Which kindly feels like a bunch of guys sitting around playing a Dungeons and Dragons version of a baseball season.
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Judge has a 44 point margin in OPS+. Let's get real.
so playing catcher doesn't enter into it for you at all, just hitting?
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Positional dominance does matter but as I pointed out Salvador Perez led the league in both categories as recently as 2021 and finished 7th. Raleigh has more home runs but I don’t think that makes him the MVP over Judge, who is dominating the league in every other offensive category. Since I don’t think Raleigh is a Pudge level catcher on top of his offense I think his case rests largely on his bat. And I think Judge has the superior bat.
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so playing catcher doesn't enter into it for you at all, just hitting?
Not if he is getting points just for being a catcher, no. Is he an elite catcher like Bench or Rodriguez, if so I'd give him a few points I guess, but I have not heard that said of him.
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Not if he is getting points just for being a catcher, no. Is he an elite catcher like Bench or Rodriguez, if so I'd give him a few points I guess, but I have not heard that said of him.
He did win a gold glove last year.
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I could look past batting average if Raleigh were an on-base machine, but his OBP is only .354. And if you're inclined to look at WAR, he's actually behind teammate Julio Rodriguez.

The MVP race shouldn't even be close.
OBP of .354 on a .230 Avg is actually incredibly impressive.
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