1952 #311 Topps Mantle error 1/1 Psa authentic

[Popcorn]

Pretty cool authentic Mantle 52 Topps error card authenticated by Psa coming to auction soon by bbce auctions. True 1/1 error of one of the greatest players to ever play in the game. Never seen an iconic card discovered like this before. Maybe the Thomas NNOF lol

[sthoemke]

What is the error?

[Popcorn]

Originally Posted by sthoemke

What is the error?

Back is #311 Overprint on a #310. It’s on the psa pop report. Pretty cool, never seen one like it.

[raulus]

Interesting.

I demand pics!

[Popcorn]

You can see it on bbce auction site next Wednesday.

[Zach Wheat]

Oh no another error card!

[raulus]

I guess we'll see how many of the Mantle guys out there care. It does seem like error cards are their own little universe, with a lot of people staying away from them, but a small and passionate group going nuts for them.

Naturally, being on the 311 Mantle adds an extra layer of excitement, simply because most everyone seems to want one, and yet this one is very different than all the rest.

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by Popcorn

Back is #311 Overprint on a #310. It�s on the psa pop report. Pretty cool, never seen one like it.

A high series (311-407) overprint on a card from a different series? That sounds odd...

[Popcorn]

Originally Posted by Eric72

A high series (311-407) overprint on a card from a different series? That sounds odd...

Mantle’s on the back of a Metkovich but odd thing is that there is no Metkovich on the back, just mantle and another 52’ Player.

[CW]

Is this your card Chris?

So this is a 1952 Topps Metkovich card with a #311 Mantle back?

If so then it's not really a Mantle card. It's a Metkovich card with a wrong back.

Please post the link to the auction when it hits. Thanks.

[Lucas00]

Originally Posted by CW

Is this your card Chris?

So this is a 1952 Topps Metkovich card with a #311 Mantle back?

If so then it's not really a Mantle card. It's a Metkovich card with a wrong back.

Please post the link to the auction when it hits. Thanks.

Exactly what I thought, this is a #310 with a wrong back. Not the other way around.

[swarmee]

For what possible reason would PSA authenticate this? It's not a recurring error, and it's not checklisted anywhere. Seems like a ridiculous overreach of their service.

[Popcorn]

it was slabbed “authentic� because it’s an authentic 52 Topps card. it’s in the pop reports. thought it was a pretty cool card.

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by Popcorn

it was slabbed “authentic� because it’s an authentic 52 Topps card. it’s in the pop reports. thought it was a pretty cool card.

Authentic #310 or Authentic #311?

[Popcorn]

Originally Posted by Lucas00

Exactly what I thought, this is a #310 with a wrong back. Not the other way around.

yes could be considered a Metkovich error with Mantle on the back, makes sense.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by swarmee

For what possible reason would PSA authenticate this? It's not a recurring error, and it's not checklisted anywhere. Seems like a ridiculous overreach of their service.

It’s something they do pretty commonly. Not sure why it would be an overreach for them to slab it and call it authentic. Similar to this piece.

[CW]

Not intending to knock the card.

Even if it is a Metkovich with a Mantle back, that is pretty cool and it would definitely sell for a premium over your typical Metkovich. It should be interesting to watch the auction.

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by raulus

It’s something they do pretty commonly. Not sure why it would be an overreach for them to slab it and call it authentic. Similar to this piece.

I can't see your item due to Net54 technical difficulties. You may need to post a link to it.

[CardPadre]

Who knows if this will load properly, but there was a Ruth and Gehrig wrong back duo a while ago. These were clean prints on back, sounds like the Mantle back is an overprint with another player…really messy style?

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by Popcorn

Back is #311 Overprint on a #310. It�s on the psa pop report. Pretty cool, never seen one like it.

What’s the PSA cert number?

[Popcorn]

Originally Posted by CW

Not intending to knock the card.

Even if it is a Metkovich with a Mantle back, that is pretty cool and it would definitely sell for a premium over your typical Metkovich. It should be interesting to watch the auction.

No problem, call it what you will but we can all agree the 52' Topps Mickey Mantle is the "Holy Grail" of all Post War cards and probably only second to the t206 Wagner in folklore popularity. Many collectors enjoy graded cards for the investment-nostalga part but there's a "show off" factor involved. PSA has graded about 2,000 52' Mantles that have exploded in value the last 10yr but it would be "cool" to say you own the only PSA graded 52' Mantle error card. It's a 1/1 even if you think its a Metkovich ERR, Mantle is printed with his stats on the reverse.

[raulus]

Well, I hate to have to say it, but if Mantle isn’t on the front, I suspect this one isn’t going to go that nuts. But like most things in life, there’s only one way to find out - wait and see what happens.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by raulus

Well, I hate to have to say it, but if Mantle isn’t on the front, I suspect this one isn’t going to go that nuts. But like most things in life, there’s only one way to find out - wait and see what happens.

As someone who goes out of their way to collect these type of cards I believe it will be the most expensive Metkovich card ever sold. Saying that I would guess it sells for 10-20% of an actual Mantle card at best. Usually wrongbacks with the star player on the back and a common on the front are a very hard sell in my experience. If it is an overprint on the back I would guess an even lower percentage of a normal 52 Mantle.

Anyone got a link to or picture of this cool card?

[Popcorn]

Originally Posted by CardPadre

Who knows if this will load properly, but there was a Ruth and Gehrig wrong back duo a while ago. These were clean prints on back, sounds like the Mantle back is an overprint with another player�really messy style?

Those Ruth, Gehrig cards are pretty cool. Don’t believe I’ve ever seen those before. Almost looks like some kinda printers scrap you see with t206 cards usually.

[CardPadre]

Woof, this is the kind of mess I suspected. Will it bring even the $1500 opening bid???








ETA: A Jackie Robinson also.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by CardPadre

Woof, this is the kind of mess I suspected. Will it bring even the $1500 opening bid???

WOW, that is a mess, as a novelty item I would pay a few hundred at best.

It should get the opening bid and on a good day double that. I wish the seller the best and I hope I am proven wrong with an outrageously high winning bid.

[raulus]

Woof is right. But best of luck to the consignor!

[swarmee]

While listed as a 1952 Topps, PSA was smart not to give it a card number. So it can't count as a Mantle #311 for the registry.

[Popcorn]

it is an ugly ass card lol no arguments here. some dudes collect rarity and oddballs so its not for everyone. hoping nobody bids tbh

[JollyElm]

Putting earrings on a cardboard pig.

[Lucas00]

Its pretty cool even if disappointing to members who thought it would be something else.. Lol.

If it started at $1 in an auction I'd have guessed it might sell for $1000 even.

[Beercan collector]

Ouch - goodbye to all the buyers Who were thinking about Skinnin off the back

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Beercan collector

Ouch - goodbye to all the buyers Who were thinking about Skinnin off the back

Why would someone skin off the back? I don't get what that would do. I am more in it got rid of all the guys thinking of removing the ink on the front to make it a blank front. My thinking on that is a blank front 52 Mantle would be worth way more than a wrong back with a common on the front.

[Beercan collector]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Why would someone skin off the back? I don't get what that would do. I am more in it got rid of all the guys thinking of removing the ink on the front to make it a blank front. My thinking on that is a blank front 52 Mantle would be worth way more than a wrong back with a common on the front.

Perhaps someone has one with a nice front and are trying to build one that looks good - i’m probably wrong and it don’t happen - I guess seeing 19 century cards skinned and rebacked May have cloud my thinking but we’re talking about a very valuable card

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Beercan collector

Perhaps someone has one with a nice front and are trying to build one that looks good - i’m probably wrong and it don’t happen - I guess seeing 19 century cards skinned and rebacked May have cloud my thinking but we’re talking about a very valuable card

That makes sense. Never thought about that.

[Exhibitman]

I'm a little surprised that people doubt the card would be desirable. It may not sell at the price it listed for but there is a dedicated community of error and scrap collectors, especially of Topps cards, and the fuglier the card and the greater the rep of the player or issue, the more desirable it is. The most extreme errors carry the highest values:

Blackless 1971 Topps:



Flipped stock 1972 Topps:




Terrible misprints and miscuts:





Printers' scrap is also desirable: Topps printing process items that should never have gotten out of the factory are unique and interesting to collectors of the player or issue. 1971 Topps hockey is one of my favorites and the Hull is my favorite card of his, so I happily acquired this scrap (not from Carmine):



Printing process material issued by the Topps Vault also sell well.

The Mantle looks like printers' scrap used to clear the press between runs that was rescued from the trash and hand cut. My guess is that the sheet had some sort of flaw that was caught in the printing process. To me, the card looks like it is missing the shellac coating on the front. Altered is the wrong designation but the truth still is a strong combo for the collectors who are into that sort of stuff.

As for wrong back wrong/front combos caused by the sheet being fed into the printer at a 180 degree orientation from normal there are collectors. Whether it is a HOF card or not depends on whether you are buying or selling and how clear it is. I have this one:



When I sell it you better believe it is going to be marketed as a 1941 Play Ball Joe DiMaggio error card.

The 'Mantle' and 'Robinson' are great examples of 1952 Topps scraps but may be priced a bit too aggressively for the misprint community given how hard it is to see the superstar elements.

[Popcorn]

Did some digging and there was a sgc Mantle overprint back 52’ topps that sold with a common front for almost 5k.

[Beercan collector]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

I'm a little surprised that people doubt the card would be desirable. It may not sell at the price it listed for but there is a dedicated community of error and scrap collectors, especially of Topps cards, and the fuglier the card and the greater the rep of the player or issue, the more desirable it is. The most extreme errors carry the highest values:

Blackless 1971 Topps:



Flipped stock 1972 Topps:




Terrible misprints and miscuts:





Printers' scrap is also desirable: Topps printing process items that should never have gotten out of the factory are unique and interesting to collectors of the player or issue. 1971 Topps hockey is one of my favorites and the Hull is my favorite card of his, so I happily acquired this scrap (not from Carmine):



Printing process material issued by the Topps Vault also sell well.

The Mantle looks like printers' scrap used to clear the press between runs that was rescued from the trash and hand cut. My guess is that the sheet had some sort of flaw that was caught in the printing process. To me, the card looks like it is missing the shellac coating on the front. Altered is the wrong designation but the truth still is a strong combo for the collectors who are into that sort of stuff.

As for wrong back wrong/front combos caused by the sheet being fed into the printer at a 180 degree orientation from normal there are collectors. Whether it is a HOF card or not depends on whether you are buying or selling and how clear it is. I have this one:



When I sell it you better believe it is going to be marketed as a 1941 Play Ball Joe DiMaggio error card.

The 'Mantle' and 'Robinson' are great examples of 1952 Topps scraps but may be priced a bit too aggressively for the misprint community given how hard it is to see the superstar elements.

Those cards are obvious and display well - it’s hard to see what’s going on with the Metkovich card

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Popcorn

Did some digging and there was a sgc Mantle overprint back 52’ topps that sold with a common front for almost 5k.

Cool, got a link?

[Popcorn]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Cool, got a link?

For some reason it got scrubbed from the VCP site. That’s how I found it, searched for sgc A graded by highest sale and there was a common for something like $4,750 and when i clicked it went to an auction house and had a mantle overprint back. Now it’s gone.

Might have to go through every single sgc a on vcp because it might have been covered up by a recent auction of that card in a sgc a slab. It only shows the most recent sale in a set search.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Popcorn

For some reason it got scrubbed from the VCP site. That’s how I found it, searched for sgc A graded by highest sale and there was a common for something like $4,750 and when i clicked it went to an auction house and had a mantle overprint back. Now it’s gone.

Was the sale during the Covid boom?

Depending on eye appeal that isn't a bad number. I have a hobby friend that collects this exact type of card and his estimate is exactly twice mine.

Taking this type of stuff to auction is very risky in my experience. I have always done way better with a regular sale.

[CardPadre]

https://collectrea.com/archives/2024...int-on-reverse

[Popcorn]

Originally Posted by CardPadre

https://collectrea.com/archives/2024...int-on-reverse

Bingo thanks! I knew I wasn’t seeing things lol

I saved the info but got a new phone and lost it in the transfer.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by CardPadre

https://collectrea.com/archives/2024...int-on-reverse

Thank you for the link. To me this is a way better card. The back is upside down so you can clearly see the 311.

[Republicaninmass]

now it isn't even a 1/1 and that back is readable

Good grief

[Popcorn]

Wonder why vcp deleted the sale. It’s gone from the site.

[Exhibitman]

Maybe something to do with SGC? They've been inconsistent and squirrelly about print flaws, scraps, proofs, etc. I sent them an N28 proof and they wouldn't authenticate it



Yet they do (did?) authenticate proofs:



Maybe they decertified the Mantle scrap and it isn't in the database that VCP scrapes?

[bnorth]

4 and a half hours to go. I still expect to get an opening bid.

[Popcorn]

Originally Posted by bnorth

4 and a half hours to go. I still expect to get an opening bid.

Will see lol. That 1957 Johnny Unitas auto Rookie looking pretty cheap 👀

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Popcorn

Will see lol. That 1957 Johnny Unitas auto Rookie looking pretty cheap 👀

My guess is still my estimate earlier. Then in the very near future it will pop back up for sale for 10-20 times winning big being promoted as a Mantle Holy Grail card.