Thoughts re PSA8 T206 Honus Wagner Card

[barrysloate]

Leon- that wouldn't satisfy everyone...the current owner might not like it.

[Peter_Spaeth]

8T?

[barrysloate]

Peter- is that short for "8 trimmed?"

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Peter- is that short for "8 trimmed?"

Yip.

[tedzan]

Unlike most of you, I do not collect graded cards. Most of my complete sets from 1887-1987 were put
together back in the "paleolithic" era.

But, this does not infer that I am ignorant of the Grading industry, or graded cards. When I buy them, I
usually crack them open. And, I've seen some egregiously graded PSA and SGC cards. Here are some of
the most notorious examples......

SGC graded re-backed (Red HINDU) T206 Mathewson portrait....(impossible F/B combo)

SGC graded (obviously) fake T206 Doyle error that was sold to KO

? ? graded fake T206 Doyle error with a POLAR BEAR back....(impossible F/B combo)

PSA graded re-backed (Piedmont 150) T206 Cobb (bat off)....(impossible F/B combo)

PSA8 T206 Honus Wagner....I can say this since I saw this card in its raw form at the Philly Show back
in the mid-1980's.


T-Rex TED

[Peter_Spaeth]

You saw the Wagner before Bill Mastro purchased it? Do you recall who owned it at the time?

[tedzan]

You asked......
" You saw the Wagner before Bill Mastro purchased it? Do you recall who owned it at the time? "

I didn't say that.

I first saw this card when Mastro was shopping it around at the Philly Show (prior to the Show's start)
to most of the dealers staying at the George Washington Motor Lodge.

[danmckee]

I believe SGC took care of the Mint/Olbermann fiasco. I had to sue your buddy Orlando and watch him stand there in court and state that he had no knowledge of them ever losing a card before when in fact, I ran an ad in SCD and SEVERAL people answered having lost cards and having spoken directly to Mr. Orlando. He also claimed no knowledge of the bogus M101-4 Ruth they graded when Adam crossed him on it, that was priceless!

Again, both companies make mistakes, it is how you handle the mistakes that separate these 2 companies by light years!!!!!

[danmckee]

How about the T205 Graham I had labelled as Cubs I bought off of ebay with no picture. The label read cubs and the card was Rustlers. ok I can understand the mistake, no sweat. I take it over to PSA and they kindly relabel it for me to rustlers. I said what about the fact that I paid for a 3X expensive variation??? They told me "sorry about your luck"

[danmckee]

Let's see, I am president of a grading company and we have graded a card that Rob Lifson returns to us stating it is bad. Yes Rob lifson who has forgotten more about vintage cards than everyone at PSA added together.

I tell him that we stand behind our grade and that any other auction house will auction the card. The card (FAKE NODGRASS IN PSA HOLDER) goes to Mastro and they put it up for auction. Dan Mckee works with FBI to shut this fraud down before someone else gets burned.

Joe and PSA cut another check $10K to the consigner and destroy the bogus card.

Need I go on?

[danmckee]

On the back of the PSA submission forms at the time of the lost Magie there was a statement that said something like: If you win a judgement against us in court, we will pay your legal fees"

I call Joe orlando after winning my suit for the Magie to collect my legal fees based on this written statement and he screams at me stating I trashed him on this board so he isn't paying me and then hangs up on me.

Now that is true customer service at its best!!!