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Old 08-19-2009, 10:22 AM
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This thread has established that there are some good uses for Dick's product, but also many bad ones that unscrupulous sellers will take advantage of. Why are some of the posters here only seeing what they want to see, and not looking at the whole picture?
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Old 08-19-2009, 10:39 AM
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Barry,

I am consdiering this topic from a panoramic perspective and hope that this is understood. The problem is that the current good (I use that word loosely) is far outweiged by the future bad. I've been as clear as possible in my opinions and can't think of anything more that can be added at this time.

For anyone who doesn't realize it, my viewpoints are not to be misconstrued as a personal attack on Dick, who I do not know personally. I just do not encourage such processes.
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Old 08-19-2009, 10:57 AM
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Jodi- I was defending your point of view, maybe I wasn't as clear as I should have been.

Nobody is disputing the better uses of the product. If you want to clean a stain, or if you prefer to remove an unimportant signature for display purposes, I agree that's fine. But the bigger issue is there are people out there who will alter some balls to make them more valuable, and that is the bigger concern to most who have posted here.

I was referring to those who only see the benefits of the product, and don't want to admit there are some negative things too. There are enough ways collectors are being ripped off in this hobby, and we don't need yet one more.
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Old 08-19-2009, 11:04 AM
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Barry,

I figured as much, so thanks.
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Old 08-19-2009, 06:20 PM
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I fall on the Jodi "with an i" side, but I also know that no one is going to shut down a legal money making venture because some people deem it harmful, so everyone might as well add this to the list of things to look out for in collecting autograph baseballs.
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Old 08-19-2009, 07:59 PM
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I agree that once the ball leaves Dick's hands all bets are off as to seller disclosure. I have a proposal that might help mitigate the damage.

We all know that major league baseball puts a special marking on baseballs when a major record is imminent (Barry Bonds HRs, for example) in order to validate the authenticity of a ball caught by a fan. It can be very unobtrusive; it might even be invisible to the eye but visible under the blacklight. I don't know if it's a hologram, but whatever it is...it works.

I wonder if Dick would consider "marking his territory" via such a marking that wouldn't interfere with the display of the refined baseball, but nevertheless would stand as a permanent way of identifying that work was done?
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Old 08-19-2009, 08:25 PM
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Imagine if Dick were subpoenaed? YIKES!!!!!
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Old 08-19-2009, 06:28 PM
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I can see the damage this can do, but as it has been said restoration has happened in many other fields why not sports stuff.

I do agree it could be bad down the road but if Dick isn't doing it, someone else will.

That being said I have a Mays/Mantle/Snider ball and one of the signatures was traced over. IMO this becomes worthless, but Dick could fix that and at least make it a "real' piece.

It's tough because there are moral issues as well as dollar issues to deal with. I think if I paid a ton of cash for a Mantle/Maris ball to find out the Maris was bad then I would try to cut my losses, however if I was going to buy a ball like that I would learn enough to not buy one with a bad auto.

Tough spot I think because no matter what you do a ball can be untracable and therefore could be resold down the line as something that isn't altered, when in fact it was.

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Old 08-19-2009, 07:20 PM
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Dick's client list might be very revealing -- is he helping collectors or fixing items for dealers and auction houses. Dick?
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Old 08-19-2009, 07:22 PM
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I don't think he will be sharing his client list.
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