OT: McGwire finally comes clean

ctownboy · #1 01-12-2010, 02:03 AM

Rickyy,

Guys like McGwire would have still hit Home Runs and probably led the league but they wouldn't have hit so many. That is because the pitchers wouldn't be throwing so hard and the hitters wouldn't be as strong and wouldn't be able to get the bat through the hitting zone as quick.

So instead of Home Runs, guys would be either be hitting more fly ball Outs or foul balls.

David

ChiefBenderForever · #2 01-12-2010, 02:47 AM

The tears were a nice touch.

Buythatcard · #3 01-12-2010, 06:07 AM

As far as I am concerned, asterisk or no asterisk, Roger Maris still holds the record for the most home runs in a season by a non steroid user.

keithsky · #4 01-12-2010, 07:16 AM

What's sad to me is out of the top 10 home run hitters 4 are acussed of steriods. Mcgwire, A-Rod, Sosa, and Bonds. I don't think Griffey did them but if he was ever found to use them that would be half of the top 10. If that doesn't deserve and asterik nothing does

insidethewrapper · #5 01-12-2010, 08:52 AM

McGwire is a cheater like all the rest. He took steroids so he could play more games and this increased his home run total. Without steroids we would be looking at a Dave Kingman career (good but not HOF).

whycough · #6 01-12-2010, 09:12 AM

The Babe is still the greatest home run hitter of all time. Don't be fooled by the Maris extra games, the Aaron extra at bats, and the PED users extra rocket fuel. Repeating a lie doesn't make it true.

Frank A · #7 01-12-2010, 10:29 AM

Joe Morgan brought up another good point. how many good players never got there chance because so many guys were juiced. None of these suckers should ever get in the hall

Jim VB · #8 01-12-2010, 07:18 AM

I find the McGwire discussion a little silly. I wouldn't vote him into the HOF. Period. Not because he used steroids. But because he's a lifetime .260 hitter. I would also not vote for Jose Canseco or Dave Kingman. They were purely one dimensional players and not HOFers in my book.

Abravefan11 · #9 01-12-2010, 07:54 AM

Jim - I think that's the best point made in the thread so far.

thekingofclout · #10 01-12-2010, 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by calvindog

He's a victim. He didn't take the steroids for strength purposes. God. It's his lawyers' fault.

Now when will that other ignoramus Sosa sort of confess?

Jeff. "Ignoramus" is one of the all-time underrated words. Nice call.

Quote:

Originally Posted by rdwyer

Oh, I get it. It was a Cardinal sin, right?

An absolutely beauty of a pun!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buythatcard

As far as I am concerned, asterisk or no asterisk, Roger Maris still holds the record for the most home runs in a season by a non steroid user.

I concur.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim VB

I find the McGwire discussion a little silly. I wouldn't vote him into the HOF. Period. Not because he used steroids. But because he's a lifetime .260 hitter. I would also not vote for Jose Canseco or Dave Kingman. They were purely one dimensional players and not HOFers in my book.

Jim. Using the .260 BA as your criteria. What is your position on Killebrew (.258) ?

Jim VB · #11 01-12-2010, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by thekingofclout

Jim. Using the .260 BA as your criteria. What is your position on Killebrew (.258) ?

Here's the list, that Baseball Reference uses, of players comparable to McGwire. It's a very interesting list.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/fr...mcgwima01:Mark McGwire&st=career&compage=&age=

Of this entire list, only McCovey and Killebrew are in the HOF. You could make a case that those guys hit their HR's back in the day that 40 in a season, and/or 500 in a career meant something.

However, I'd have to say that, using my criteria, they're both borderline guys. I do think Harmon was more deserving than McCovey though.

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