T206 "Brown" Old Mill Southern League Back...Legit?

[tedzan]

The first press runs of T206 Southern Leaguer's were printed with Brown HINDU and OLD MILL backs.
Therefore, I can imagine that in the course of printing these two backs, there was a mix-up in the ink
application.....resulting in Brown OLD MILL's.

If this theory of mine explains the cause of these extremely rare Brown OLD MILL backs, then it would
apply to ONLY 34 of the 48 Southern League cards in the set. As, the other 14 - So. Lge. cards were
not printed during the Brown HINDU press runs.

To date, the few Southern Leaguers with Brown OLD MILL backs that I have seen are from this group
of 34..........

Bay
Bernhard
Breitenstein
Carey
Coles
Cranston
Ellam
Foster
Fritz
Greminger
Guiheen
Helm
Hickman
Hooker
Howard
Jordan
Kiernan
Lafitte
Lipe
Manion
McCauley
Molesworth
Mullaney
Otey
Paige
Perdue
Persons
Reagan
Revelle
Ryan
Shaughnessy
Smith (Atlanta)
Thornton
Violat

Hey you guys with the Brown OLD MILL's, let's see if your cards are NOT any of these 34 players ?


TED Z

[JerryTotino]

Frank,

As mentioned in my prior post both examples I owned were hand cut. In addition, I know of about 5 or 6 others that are also hand cut. Thus, I have never seen or been able to confirm a factory cut example of this back. A few examples look factory cut at first glance, but are trimmed upon inspection. I would love to see a factory cut example if someone owns one.

Jerry

[tedzan]

So far guys, the various shades of Brown are understandable. I've seen similar varyimg shades of Brown HINDU's.

More significantly, the Southern League players you have noted are all on my list of the 34 expected subjects.

Yet, my theory can still be proven wrong with a Southern Leaguer with a Brown OLD MILL that is not on my list.

Let's hear of more of these very rare cards.


TED Z

[DixieBaseball]

Ted - Your theory is an interesting one to me. Just so I am clear, are you saying b/c there is only 34 (out of 48) Southern League Brown Hindu's, there would never be a Brown Old Mill outside this group of 34? If so, I am buying the brown old mill argument. I wish the tint of brown was definitive on the Old Mills, but is has that faded or washed look. It is obviously not as true a brown color as Brown Hindu. I have several brown hindu's and they all look ripe brown. The Old Mill's take on the look of the Broad leaf, but a slight shade different. The BL's look more light black to me. I could be color blind to brown...

[JP]

It seems as though every legit Brown Old Mill seems to have the same printing mark on the back. Each corner has the three loops, and in the bottom right corner, above the 3 loops is a little splash of extra ink on the double lines...anyone else seeing this?

[toppcat]

The one Tom Barlage has on Ebay looks legit. I can't see how that shade of brown is faded black. Wasn't there a theory that the brown OM's were run through just after say a Brown Hindu run? A lot of the hand cut T206's seem like the only things left at ATC, don't they? It makes sense they were rejects.

[rhettyeakley]

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[tedzan]

Regarding your question in Post #22......

These 34 Southern Leaguers were printed with Brown HINDU, OLD MILL and PIEDMONT 350 backs.

Bay
Bernhard
Breitenstein
Carey
Coles
Cranston
Ellam
Foster
Fritz
Greminger
Guiheen
Helm
Hickman
Hooker
Howard
Jordan
Kiernan
Lafitte
Lipe
Manion
McCauley
Molesworth
Mullaney
Otey
Paige
Perdue
Persons
Reagan
Revelle
Ryan
Shaughnessy
Smith (Atlanta)
Thornton
Viola

These 14 Southern Leaguers were printed with only OLD MILL and PIEDMONT 350......I would be quite
surprised if any of these show up with a Brown OLD MILL back.

Bastian
Hart (Little Rock)
Hart (Montgomery)
King
Lentz
Miller
Orth
Paige
Rockenfeld
Seitz
Smith (Shreveport)
Stark
Thebo
White (Houston)


Hey guys, there a lot of impressive Brown OLD MILL shown here. How about identifying their FRONT's ?

Thanks,


TED Z

[tiger8mush]

so do you guys think that it was a MISTAKE that the Brown Old Mill backs were printed with brown ink and were intended to be printed with black ink? If so, do you then classify them as a variation, or seperate back, error, how?

[JerryTotino]

Ted,

The 2 examples I once owned were Thornton and Revelle. I think there are 2 or 3 known examples of a Revelle Brown Old Mill.

I am also aware of a Sid Smith (Atlanta).



Rob,

I think the Brown Old Mills were either an error or experiment. As stated in an earlier post they appear to be all hand cut. I'm not sure how to classify a T206 back that might never have actually been officially issued.

Jerry

[toppcat]

Originally Posted by JerryTotino

Ted,

I think the Brown Old Mills were either an error or experiment. As stated in an earlier post they appear to be all hand cut. I'm not sure how to classify a T206 back that might never have actually been officially issued.

Jerry

Do the backs of the brown and blacks match up if superimposed one over the other? I assume they would. That could indicate the end of a Brown Hindu run occurred and then the next batch was started to kill off some ink or they ran a few for a test before they used them for scrap. If sheets were stacked and moved, even a short distance, it would make sense to use scrap sheets on the top and bottom of each stack to prevent damage to the cards meant to be cut and inserted into the packs, a "scrap sandwich" if you will. I really wonder if that's where a lot of the handcut oddities come from, not just in T206 but even Topps stuff in the 60's.

[usernamealreadytaken]

Looking at the large scans above, the entire back of the "brown" ink card is, well, browner...

[frankb22]

If they are all hand cut then did perhaps a small number get inked
with the wrong color and noticed right away? That might explain why
they never made it to the cutting process because they were set aside
and someone cut them at a later time.