What We Have Learned About Ty Cobbs With a Ty Cobb Back

[E93]

Jon,
That is a very interesting observation regarding the tobacco. Perhaps at least some were distributed in tins.
JimB

[Griffins]

Jon, here is the previous thread
http://net54baseball.com/showthread....ight=cobb+back

Jim, well said in your first post. At least Peter Chao was entertaining.

[Chicago206]

" Please name the 350+ Uzit, or Drum, or Carolina Brights subjects that qualify those brands as "T206" by your definition. "


Ever seen a Drum backed card? Whats it say right beneath "Base Ball Series"? Just because not all 350 subjects have been accounted for does not mean they do not exist. I can tell you FOR A FACT however that just 1 solitary subject exists for the Cobb back!

[E93]

There is no point in arguing with you. I am done.
JimB

[Chicago206]

You are upset with me because I dont agree with your opinion....priceless!

[Potomac Yank]

Not as part of my T206 sets.

It is what it is.

A T206 it is not .....

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by Chicago206

" Please name the 350+ Uzit, or Drum, or Carolina Brights subjects that qualify those brands as "T206" by your definition. "
Ever seen a Drum backed card? Whats it say right beneath "Base Ball Series"? Just because not all 350 subjects have been accounted for does not mean they do not exist. I can tell you FOR A FACT however that just 1 solitary subject exists for the Cobb back!

Do you even want to know why that statement is all wrong? Do you even care to learn or are you here just to hang out and bang on your keyboard?

Just asking before myself or any of us try to inform someone who just doesn't care to be informed.

[teetwoohsix]

Well,the one thing I've learned recently is that not all Cobb/Cobb's have the glossy finish on the front.

I wouldn't doubt if some of these cards had been packaged directly with the tobacco-there's always the possibility that they were distributed in multiple ways?

You would think there would be a little more data out there on this,seeing how popular Ty Cobb was-hopefully one day more information will surface about this-that would be awesome!!!

Sincerely,Clayton

[tedzan]

Hey Chicago206....why don't you start using the SEARCH feature here....before you post on subjects you are ill-informed of ?

We had several threads on this subject and here is the most recent one; and, the most informative.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...2Fty+cobb+back

This thread garnered almost 100 posts and we were able to come up with new info. regarding this mysterious Ty Cobb card,
that dates it within the "350 series" period (1910) of the T206 press runs.

Sit down, take a deep breath, and take the time to read every post in this thread. Then if you have any intelligent questions,
we will try to answer them.

Prior to this thread (Jan 2009), I was skeptical regarding this Cobb card. Now, I feel it should be considered as a T206.






TED Z

[uniship]

"Prior to this thread (Jan 2009), I was skeptical regarding this Cobb card. Now, I feel it should be considered as a T206."


Ted - i did not know you had a change of opinion on this issue. To me this is huge news as clearly you are one of the most respected and knowledgable T206 collectors out there.

[hangman62]

Jim B..how smug and cocky can you possibly be ?
Telling a guy..sit back and listen and learn ! PLEASE
Its a blog site for card collectors !
OK you do all the reseach and detailed critiques.. and we will all bow down to your allmighty " nerdness"

[vintagewhitesox]

Originally Posted by hangman62

Jim B..how smug and cocky can you possibly be ?
Telling a guy..sit back and listen and learn ! PLEASE
Its a blog site for card collectors !
OK you do all the reseach and detailed critiques.. and we will all bow down to your allmighty " nerdness"

I'm sorry, but Jim is anything but smug and cocky. He's one of the nicest, kindest, and extremely generous with his hobby knowledge.

Jim can speak for himself, but I just had to respond to such an off the mark comment.

[brickyardkennedy]

I can suffer the "cockiness", if that's what it is, of those who know what they're talking about. It's the ill-informed assertions of those who don't know what they're talking about, that troubles me. Jim belongs to the former group.

[Griffins]

JimB is the epitome of humility- a quiet gentleman that is very generous with his wealth of knowledge on this subject, among others. The fact that he has exhausted his patience on this thread is a testament to just how inane Chicago's posts are.

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by vintagewhitesox

I'm sorry, but Jim is anything but smug and cocky. He's one of the nicest, kindest, and extremely generous with his hobby knowledge.

Jim can speak for himself, but I just had to respond to such an off the mark comment.

I'll second that. Jim is top shelf! If Jim was a Scotch at a bar he would be $45a glass and you would have to find away to hide the expense report from your boss.

[Griffins]

So we should just refer to him as 18 year old Macallan?

[Kawika]

Originally Posted by hangman62

Jim B..how smug and cocky can you possibly be ?
Telling a guy..sit back and listen and learn ! PLEASE
Its a blog site for card collectors !
OK you do all the reseach and detailed critiques.. and we will all bow down to your allmighty " nerdness"

"JimB is the epitome of humility- a quiet gentleman that is very generous with his wealth of knowledge on this subject, among others. The fact that he has exhausted his patience on this thread is a testament to just how inane Chicago's posts are."

Can't put it any better than Anthony did. Jim VB is, ahem, a great guy. For real.

I alluded to this in a recent post but it bears repeating: a lot of guys here go way back. It is not just " a blog site for card collectors", Ralph, but a succession of places where collectors have gathered for years to talk story about vintage baseball cards. Occasionally a quarrel breaks out but eventually we return to the flow of the board. When a newcomer like Chicago comes aboard and attempts to dictate board protocol it is akin to someone bursting down the door and trying to rearrange the furniture. Any dig taken at Chicago by Jim or anyone else is fair game. (Plus he seems to thrive on the abuse). Dude would try the patience of a saint.

[terjung]

Originally Posted by hangman62

Jim B..how smug and cocky can you possibly be ?
Telling a guy..sit back and listen and learn ! PLEASE
Its a blog site for card collectors !
OK you do all the reseach and detailed critiques.. and we will all bow down to your allmighty " nerdness"

Wow. I am not one to dip into T206 conversations as I have only oned one in my life (and it wasn't a Cobb back), but this comment about probably the nicest guy in the hobby is too much.

Jim is one of those people who is so easy to defend that it isn't even funny. Before your comment, I would've also said that one never needs to defend him because he is so commonly respected and admired. So I am shocked that he has been called on the carpet, but allow me to assure you that for every one who has or will post defending Jim, there are dozens of others who wouldn't blink before doing so as well.

[Potomac Yank]

Where's that Abbaticcio back, with white borders and stains.

I want it for my T206 set.

[Chicago206]

Just got my REA catalogue yesterday. Take a look at the Cobb/Cobb write-up. Even THEY allude to the fact that the card is debateable as to whether it should be a seperate series!!! But im the "ill-informed idiot"? You guys clearly have some type of agenda.

[smokelessjoe]

Websters Weekly Thu Jan 27 1910

[rats60]

Originally Posted by smokelessjoe

Websters Weekly Thu Jan 27 1910

I see no mention of any baseball cards in the product. Don't you think that would be mentioned as popular as t206s were? I see no reason why ATC would allow Penn to use their image to promote the Ty Cobb brand while they were under threat of antitrust litigation from the government. They were successfully hiding their relationship, owning of Penn stock, and keeping it out of the case.

[tedzan]

Factory #33, Reidsville, NC

ATC tobacco brand...... Ty Cobb Smoking Tobacco


. . . .


American Litho printed the red Cobb in the Spring of 1910. Initially for the 350 series of the T206 set. This timeline coincides
with ATC's introduction of the Ty Cobb Tobacco brand.









As I have stated throughout this thread, I consider this card a "T206".



TED Z
.

[ullmandds]

As popular as the ty cobb tobacco seems to have been...you'd think there'd be way more tins...and if cards were inserted inside...there'd be way more cards out there.