Cobb/Cobb card in Goodwin Auction

botn · #1 04-26-2010, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Leon

Personally, I don't care for the overall look of the one in the PSA holder. Besides what has been mentioned what the heck is going on with that front, top left (as we are looking at it) part of the frame that is around Cobb? It's not square. That PSA card looks a lot different, to me, than the SGC one.

I am NOT saying it's not real or anything like that.....but if I were buying it I would certainly want to get a 2nd and 3rd expert opinion. The "look" is probably due to the lack of gloss that the others have, but I am in no way sure of it. regards

Hi Leon,
I have already had my day in the sun regarding my SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper Red Cobb and I don't mean to hijack this thread or be busting your eggs too hard. However you seem to have no trouble jumping on board and voicing your skepticism of this Cobb/Cobb card (one I am assuming you have not seen in person but maybe you have) but were unable to commit an opinion to a card which was in your possession which also possessed an anomaly which I provided numerous close up pictures. Could that have anything to do with the Cobb/Cobb not having been auctioned by you or that it is PSA graded versus being SGC graded?

With respect to Goodwin's example I do see the differences which Kevin pointed out and wonder if those can be attributed to the non glossy version as the image quality or registration of the two cards is quite different. Anyone here have pictures of the other non glossy Cobb/Cobb?

Greg

Leon · #2 04-26-2010, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by botn

Hi Leon,
I have already had my day in the sun regarding my SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper Red Cobb and I don't mean to hijack this thread or be busting your eggs too hard. However you seem to have no trouble jumping on board and voicing your skepticism of this Cobb/Cobb card (one I am assuming you have not seen in person but maybe you have) but were unable to commit an opinion to a card which was in your possession which also possessed an anomaly which I provided numerous close up pictures. Could that have anything to do with the Cobb/Cobb not having been auctioned by you or that it is PSA graded versus being SGC graded?

With respect to Goodwin's example I do see the differences which Kevin pointed out and wonder if those can be attributed to the non glossy version as the image quality or registration of the two cards is quite different. Anyone here have pictures of the other non glossy Cobb/Cobb?

Greg

Greg- we are giving you the BP back on the Cobb you bought. If you want me to say the card you bought is no good I am not willing to do that as I am not positive. I also said I am not positive on this card. I raised questions just like several others. If you go back to the other thread I think I admitted the Cobby you bought looked funny too but I wasn't convinced the same way you are. I trust SGC far more than PSA. That is my choice. I am sure they have both made mistakes before, just as I am sure you and I have too. BTW, you actually DID mean to hijack this thread but it's ok as you came back to on topic. Anytime someone says "excuse me I don't mean to interrupt", they are lieing...... regards

botn · #3 04-26-2010, 05:48 PM

Hey Leon,

So now I am a liar or is it simply that you now know all my intentions? No I really did not want to hijack the thread but found it odd that you would so freely render an opinion on a PSA graded card which you have not seen and one you were not the seller of. I could have brought my thread back up to the top and copy and pasted your statement but thought it would be out of context. I can't control where I call shenanigans nor can I control the fact that my comment related to a certain issue I had.

Feel free to edit these posts and put them on my T206 Cobb thread and we can duke it out there. I certainly don't mind my thread being pulled back up from page 5.

And again for the record and to continue to hijack this thread, I told you privately in emails and PMs as well as on the thread that I appreciated your gesture and it was entirely unnecessary as you are not the one who issued the grade on the T206 Cobb I won from you.

Thank you,

Greg

Leon · #4 04-26-2010, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by botn

Hey Leon,

So now I am a liar or is it simply that you now know all my intentions? No I really did not want to hijack the thread but found it odd that you would so freely render an opinion on a PSA graded card which you have not seen and one you were not the seller of. I could have brought my thread back up to the top and copy and pasted your statement but thought it would be out of context. I can't control where I call shenanigans nor can I control the fact that my comment related to a certain issue I had.

Feel free to edit these posts and put them on my T206 Cobb thread and we can duke it out there. I certainly don't mind my thread being pulled back up from page 5.

And again for the record and to continue to hijack this thread, I told you privately in emails and PMs as well as on the thread that I appreciated your gesture and it was entirely unnecessary as you are not the one who issued the grade on the T206 Cobb I won from you.

Thank you,

Greg

I figured you would take my comment the wrong way and you didn't disappoint me. All I meant about the hijacking is that yes, you really did mean to bring up the old subject that didn't pertain to this thread. I was just commenting about anyone, not you, that says they don't meant to interrupt....because if they didn't, then they wouldn't. What I won't do is debate you, on the previous Cobb, every time I make a comment about a card I have an opinion on. I just won't answer anymore. You can think what you want to. If you want to pull the old thread up that is your call. I am completely done talking about that Cobb. I did all I could do....and yes, you said it wasn't necessary to give back the BP (in a credit) but Scott and I feel it's the right thing to do. I wasn't calling YOU a liar I was just trying at a little humor... which didn't work. regards

Peter_Spaeth · #5 04-26-2010, 06:14 PM

Maybe my eyes are not so good but that does not look like paper loss to me?

FUBAR · #6 04-26-2010, 06:19 PM

In my opinion, and i am by no means an expert, the top left of the PSA card would be enough to make me not want to purchase it. It looks odd. I am more protective of what i spend my money on. I would have an issue spending $1000 on an odd looking card let alone 150k. Thats just me.

But i am a little confused.... Guys want a Cobb with no gloss?? I thought gloss usually meant is was printed more recently and that original T206's had no gloss. So is this card different? or am i back half asswards?

onlychild · #7 04-26-2010, 06:20 PM

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As for the auction, I'm not saying that it wasn't legit. I'm also not saying that if it wasn't legit that Goodwin was at fault. I just would say that the price was a joke because a) it has no gloss (which to me is a problem, not a positive); the bleeding issue is weird; c) the left corner issue is weird; d) the registration of the card is weird. I'm no expert on Cobb/Cobb but these issues are troubling and I've never seen issues b) and c) on any Cobb/Cobb before. These are red flags to me and surely should not cause the price of the card to triple in value. The card very well may be real but, again, the red flags are troubling

Exactly!

The large scan just raises more question in my mind; such as why do the corners (other than the paper loss) on the front and back seem whiter than the card and why all the stray fibers? Could be my eyes but when the super-large scan is enlarged even more it becomes evident...IMO.

Guess these are questions I would ask or at least throw out before I spent over $100K (or less) on a card. Perhaps the buyer did just that, I don't know. Like Leon said, second or even third opinions. I think for $100K I would fly down with someone to look at it....but that's just me.

Yes, the card may very well be real and I know very little about the Cobb/Cobb but there appears to be red flags when compared to others. At least enough to be discussed....again, just my opinion.

Abravefan11 · #8 04-26-2010, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by onlychild

Guess these are questions I would ask or at least throw out before I spent over $100K (or less) on a card.

Those are questions most people that frequent this forum would ask. However just because you have $100k to spend on a card doesn't make you a knowledgeable collector.

I'm sure there are at least a couple of people in this hobby with the ability to spend $100k on a card and not really know a lot about the card other than what they're being told.

And as I've said before, once they own it getting a second opinion has no upside.

Edited to add: I'm not saying there is anything wrong with the Cobb/Cobb in question, but one would think a more solid example would bring the price realized. IMO

Steve D · #9 04-26-2010, 06:56 PM

I've been making a side-by-side comparison of the Goodwin Cobb with the REA Cobb, and have made an interesting observation. Take a look at the following scans, giving particular attention to the placement of the comma after "Cobb" in the caption, in relation to the seam in Cobb's jersey. Notice how in the Goodwin Cobb, the seam lines up directly above the comma. In the REA Cobb however, the seam is halfway between the "b" and the "D", and not directly over the comma. Also, in the Goodwin Cobb, the "D" is directly under the buttons.....in the REA example, it is not. It additionally appears that the caption on the Goodwin Cobb has narrower font than on the REA Cobb.

I don't know what this means, but it is interesting.

Steve

barrysloate · #10 04-26-2010, 07:13 PM

The comma definitely is in different positions on each card. The SGC Cobb looks exactly as you would expect it to look; the PSA one does have a bit of a different feel to it. The "D" on one is very gray, and black on the other.

These are of course just observations, I also don't know what to make of the discrepancies.

Chicago206 · #11 04-26-2010, 07:38 PM

The REA Cobby is looking right at me...the Goodwin Cobb is looking up and to the left.

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