I'm almost POSITIVE this card features Shoeless Joe...

[Abravefan11]

Looking at the Cleveland Home uniforms you will see that in 1910 and 1912 the collars were dark. In 1911 they were white.

If color wasn't added to the photo on the card the picture is from 1910 or 1912. The photo posted by other members of Jackson sliding into third could be 1911 but hard to say since the collar is turned up.

[ChiefBenderForever]

Good find Tim ! So now we have the "magic collar theory" and no examples currently for sale. Great observation Brett, I think it might be him and interested to see how it pans out. Simple reason as to why it hasn't been noticed before- T206 Maddness !!

[botn]

If Tim is correct, that the Naps uniforms did not have the black collar in 1911 and color was not added to the T202 photo, then the player sliding could not be Shoeless. He played the last 20 games of the 1910 season with Cleveland and only 2 of those games were against the White Sox and the games were in Chicago. No way the image used on the T202 was from 1912...

[Chris-Counts]

While I am a big fan of the uniform data base, I have found some inconsistencies, so I wouldn't take it as the definitive word. I would think 1st generation photos that are dated would be the best bet for determining the year. At some point, a print of the image will turn up ...

Originally Posted by botn

If Tim is correct, that the Naps uniforms did not have the black collar in 1911 and color was not added to the T202 photo, then the player sliding could not be Shoeless. He played the last 20 games of the 1910 season with Cleveland and only 2 of those games were against the White Sox and the games were in Chicago. No way the image used on the T202 was from 1912...

[e107collector]

If you look at the T202's "Good Play at Third" & "Baker gets his Man," there is a Cleveland Player shown in the center panel of each.

Does anyone know whick Cleveland player is shown. Maybe it's the same one in question?

I posted links below.

Thanks,
Tony

http://bid.robertedwardauctions.com/...x?itemid=13476

http://bid.robertedwardauctions.com/...x?itemid=13460

[SethY]

I think the "Baker gets his man" card has the best chance of those two in being Jackson in the picture.

[sreader3]

Here's another 1911 picture of Joe, Ty Cobb and Tris Speaker from the Addie Joss Benefit game (Cobb lost his Tiger uni and is wearing Cleveland instead). Note that Jackson's right "sock" is white to about mid-shin.

I found another 1911 photo of Jackson scoring at League Park. Once again, the white right "sock" to mid-shin appears.

I'm thinking the T202 is Jackson.

[botn]

I am going to see if I can do a little research on the box scores which include a play by play for the games played in Cleveland against Chicago in 1911. Caught stealing is a stat which was tracked. There were 10 Cleveland home games against Chicago in 1911.

The Cleveland player in the Baker Gets His Man does look similar to the player in the Lord Catches His Man.

[SethY]

When would Cleveland be playing Philadelpia?

Originally Posted by Abravefan11

Looking at the Cleveland Home uniforms you will see that in 1910 and 1912 the collars were dark. In 1911 they were white.

If color wasn't added to the photo on the card the picture is from 1910 or 1912. The photo posted by other members of Jackson sliding into third could be 1911 but hard to say since the collar is turned up.

Has anyone missed the fact that the blurred leg has a white wrap on it also. You can see where the white wrap and the black sock start.

I circled the area for anyone to look at the specific spot I was mentioning

[e107collector]

The image is kind of tough to make out. It might be a pile of dirt being kicked up from him sliding?

Is there anyway to zoom in on that spot?

you can make out the shoe and the start of the black sock. its awfully light there to be a black sock behind what little dirt is up in the air. I almost wonder if this was a posed shot cinsidering the small amount of dirt being kicked up in colation with a full out slide. Also he does not look do determined to take that bag like someone stealing base or going for extra bags.