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Old 12-02-2010, 08:38 AM
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Derek- I actually have a huge library. I was a graduate student in English Lit, and I collect books. If anything I have too many and need to get rid of some. But my point is it is unlikely you really understand socialism save how the talking heads on the right carelessly throw the term around. I really don't fully understand it either, so I don't drop it casually into conversations. I'd rather learn more about it before I pretend to be an expert.

That was my only point. Carry on.
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Old 12-02-2010, 08:56 AM
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Default The last 10 minutes

Can I have the last 10 minutes of my life back please....what a waste of time, and yet I feel the need to respond.

Derek-

Argue all you want, IMO your sole purpose was revealed when you removed the word reprint or any modern dates in your aging process. You are trying to deceive, plain and simple. Your argument that we have all been burned and buyer beware doesn't hold water with me. Why be part of the problem by making these cards available to an unsuspecting public?

To All Others-

Derek is the classic internet forum troll. Loves to stir the pot, doesn't listen to the obvious sound reasoning of the rest of the group and will continue to post so that he always has the last word.

I have had my say, feel somewhat better and will never post again in the is thread so Derek can continue to get his jollies. In fact, I probably will never read this thread again.

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Old 12-02-2010, 09:13 AM
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Why is this post still on? I cannot believe that time is given to this guy wo really doesn't care obuot old cards. His purpose is to get attention and make money selling his crap. Why is this post allowed to continue? It is a absolute joke. Frank
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Old 12-02-2010, 09:28 AM
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Why is this post still on? I cannot believe that time is given to this guy wo really doesn't care obuot old cards. His purpose is to get attention and make money selling his crap. Why is this post allowed to continue? It is a absolute joke. Frank
It is probably still on here for the good of the hobby.

The more time that he can be lured into spending here, the less time that he has to ply his ill-conceived wares.
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Derek is the classic internet forum troll. Loves to stir the pot, doesn't listen to the obvious sound reasoning of the rest of the group. . . .
Agreed. Shut him down.
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The guy is charging $5 for the cards and disclosing that they are reprints. His intent is to defraud?
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Old 12-02-2010, 10:22 AM
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The guy is charging $5 for the cards and disclosing that they are reprints. His intent is to defraud?
Adding fuel to the fire.

He is at best either intentionally or recklessly promoting a future fraud.
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Old 12-02-2010, 12:46 PM
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Old 12-04-2010, 08:32 PM
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Hilarius. Love that. Seriously someone paid $100 bucks for that. They must be the biggest dummies

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Default and see T206's last comment.....

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The guy is charging $5 for the cards and disclosing that they are reprints. His intent is to defraud?
Peter- Actually, I might have missed it but I didn't see anyone say this guy is committing fraud himself. You are ignoring the point.....take this for example....here is what these cards will end up like, and worse.....I guarantee it, and you know it too.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Babe-Ruth-Old-Lo...mZ230558370859

Unlike some, I still don't think of him as a troll. He is just causing future problems for the hobby. If you are ok with that, then so be it.
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Old 12-02-2010, 01:20 PM
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If I were selling unmarked reprints of 100$ bills for 5 bucks, it would be fraud. I think this should be fraud too.
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Old 12-02-2010, 07:12 PM
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Leon you did miss it, see for example post 167.

"You are trying to deceive, plain and simple."

Not that I am defending the guy or his absurd rants....
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Old 12-04-2010, 08:34 PM
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Key things to look at for buyers on this post

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UNKNOWN AUTHENTICITY (PLEASE SEE ABOVE PICTURES)

Only fools would fall for that one.

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Peter- Actually, I might have missed it but I didn't see anyone say this guy is committing fraud himself. You are ignoring the point.....take this for example....here is what these cards will end up like, and worse.....I guarantee it, and you know it too.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Babe-Ruth-Old-Lo...mZ230558370859

Unlike some, I still don't think of him as a troll. He is just causing future problems for the hobby. If you are ok with that, then so be it.
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Old 12-02-2010, 08:43 PM
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The guy is charging $5 for the cards and disclosing that they are reprints. His intent is to defraud?
How much do reprints usually go for, without the artificially aged look, about a buck right? Another buck for shipping? $2 bucks!

Someone might be interested in paying him $3 bucks per card to rough them up, but I'd rather have a pristine reprint to dream over.

The five dollars includes shipping, but it doesn't say how they are shipped.

Then when I looked at the Wagner, it was $15, but included Case (screw down) and......wait for it....Tracking Jerry, Tracking. Now there are two more items to mark up and the profit starts to add up...the American way of Capitalism at work here. For another $5, I bet I can get a bow and for another $5 a Certificate of nonAuthenticity.

Really not illegal, dubious, but not illegal. Enabling a third party to resell a reprint as authentic, which will invariably happen, is a real shame as far as the hobby is concerned, but as ebay is evidence of, there's apparently more than one sucker born everyday. This fits right in with the banking industry motto - An Uneducated Consumer Is Our Best Customer -
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Old 12-04-2010, 08:36 PM
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How much do reprints usually go for, without the artificially aged look, about a buck right? Another buck for shipping? $2 bucks!

Someone might be interested in paying him $3 bucks per card to rough them up, but I'd rather have a pristine reprint to dream over.

The five dollars includes shipping, but it doesn't say how they are shipped.

Then when I looked at the Wagner, it was $15, but included Case (screw down) and......wait for it....Tracking Jerry, Tracking. Now there are two more items to mark up and the profit starts to add up...the American way of Capitalism at work here. For another $5, I bet I can get a bow and for another $5 a Certificate of nonAuthenticity.

Really not illegal, dubious, but not illegal. Enabling a third party to resell a reprint as authentic, which will invariably happen, is a real shame as far as the hobby is concerned, but as ebay is evidence of, there's apparently more than one sucker born everyday. This fits right in with the banking industry motto - An Uneducated Consumer Is Our Best Customer -
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But my point is it is unlikely you really understand socialism save how the talking heads on the right carelessly throw the term around. I really don't fully understand it either, so I don't drop it casually into conversations. I'd rather learn more about it before I pretend to be an expert.
Sort of how the left used to throw around the word "Nazi." I guess that stopped once Bush left office.
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I never threw the word around...not even once.
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I never threw the word around...not even once.
Kudos to you!
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Old 12-05-2010, 10:44 AM
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Default anyone here soaking there cards?

I find this distrubing and please someone back this up. I understand the reason why, however you guys areslamming me for aging reprints while you guys are soaking originals and altering the card in such a way to get a higher grade. When your selling your card to you disclose to the buyer, hey i gave this a bath in water for a couple days do it would look nicer for you and so i caould sell it to you at a higher price. So who's really doing the missleading?
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I find this distrubing and please someone back this up. I understand the reason why, however you guys areslamming me for aging reprints while you guys are soaking originals and altering the card in such a way to get a higher grade. When your selling your card to you disclose to the buyer, hey i gave this a bath in water for a couple days do it would look nicer for you and so i caould sell it to you at a higher price. So who's really doing the missleading?
Soaked=Real Fake=Fake

Soaking is not altering the card. Giving a card a bath just cleans it up and lifts the grime, no crime, nothing to disclose. If someone takes the time to clean up a card and make it look nicer than it was they deserve to get a higher price, after all, eye appeal is everything.
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People who soak cards to remove paper, gum, etc. from the card are not trying to defraud the people they are selling it to or creating a situation where someone is defrauded. Often people do disclose that a card was altered when they sell it.

Original card + water = nicer original card ... no fraud
Reprint card + "aging" = unknown reprint card...fraud

BTW, if you know the answer as you state, why ask the question?
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Sort of how the left used to throw around the word "Nazi." I guess that stopped once Bush left office.
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Sort of how the left used to throw around the word "Nazi." I guess that stopped once Bush left office.

Wow. I didn't realize it was the left painting Hitler mustaches on Obama images during health care debates. Thanks for enlightening us.

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Wow. I didn't realize it was the left painting Hitler mustaches on Obama images during health care debates. Thanks for enlightening us.
Yeah, the lefties never called Bush Hitler or anything like that. They were too busy smoking dope, collecting their allowances and buying baseball cards.
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Yeah, the lefties never called Bush Hitler or anything like that. They were too busy smoking dope, collecting their allowances and buying baseball cards.
Darn. Thread didn't get locked in time. Double darn.
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Default Great Gift Idea!

This thread has really got me thinking.

What would be the best way to artificially age a recreation of Hitler's used dental floss?

It would make a great stocking stuffer for that special nazi on your Christmas list.


Really, this thread lives??
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Old 12-06-2010, 07:29 PM
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Hitler had false teeth. Seriously get your history right before it makes you look ignorant again, sir.

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What would be the best way to artificially age a recreation of Hitler's used dental floss?

It would make a great stocking stuffer for that special nazi on your Christmas list.


Really, this thread lives??
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